If you want to play an older outdated sim then sure but supporting the Next Generation of Flight Simulators is MSFS 2020 , perfect atm on a Day 11 release ? no , Study level aircraft ? It's being worked on right now. VR flying coming. I mean if you have the money go buy all the flight sims but if you have to choose just one then MSFS 2020 all the way. 

 

This new generation of flight simmers is not going to be jumping into P3D  they will buy MSF 2020 and wherever the road leads them after that then who knows. 

Day 11 of Release over 19k people right now flying MSFS 2020 

Edited August 29, 20205 yr by SirDan

I think most of the real pilots or anyone actually doing real training using IFR systems needs to keep P3D or Xplane installed for a while, because of the more available aircraft.

For everyone else, not much reason to invest in the old sims (unless you need it for training) I'd just do as SirDan says and wait for them to come to MSFS and live with GA flying for now.

If you want a good large airliner cheap while waiting, there is always the free Zibo mod for base Xplane and Ortho4XP, that way you aren't investing hundreds or thousands into a dying sim like P3D. 

Edited August 29, 20205 yr by SceneryFX

I never bought P3DV5. I just didn't make sense, because if the pain of converting from v4.5 and the vram issues. So far, I like MSFS, and I think the default aircraft are ok for vfr fun. They look pretty good, and seem to operate in a predictable, but not necessarily accurate, manner.

I do expect to move away from P3DV4.5 once PMDG releases the NGX for MSFS. I'll also need full Navigraph integration, improvements in live weather (Active Sky), good offline AI traffic (AIG), and GSX before I'll truly be able to ditch P3D. I'm sure all of those things will be available eventually.

In short, I wouldn't bother with V5 if you already have V4.

2 hours ago, bonchie said:

You don't use 3D autogen in P3D?

I can safely say you are in the minority.

I don`t think so 3D auto gen enabled makes the trees look awful .

On 8/27/2020 at 9:59 PM, johncott said:

I do not own MSFS, I just have P3DV5 HF2 and will be sticking with it for the following reasons:

LM updated a lot of airports for V5.  MSFS is very dependent on Bing maps and if a Bing map image of a airport is older and not up-to-date, the MSFS airport will be out of date.

Some Bing map airports and areas are blurred out for security reasons or just may be a poor image and will not show up in MSFS.  I do not feel like taking 2 or 3 hours to fly to an airport and find it missing. 

Bridges are missing in MSFS or under water.

Ships and other features that are attached to the coast in MSFS are shown under water. For example, coastal hotels that jut out in the water may be shown under water.

The main reason, I have finally got P3DV5 running nicely with my many addons and will just sit back and enjoy flying for awhile.  MSFS has lots of eye candy, but far as I'm concern, it's still in beta.  MSFS is a Cadillac flight sim using Bing data that can be marginal in certain areas. Will check in another year and see how they are doing with the aforementioned issues.

John Cottreau

You really need to try it before you post comments like that.  I saw enormous buildings in p3d, ten times larger than they should have been.  The visuals in msfs far outweigh p3d.  Give it a go and don't rely on what you read on the forums. 

4 hours ago, B1900 said:

For the next year at least, its P3D (4.5). 

There are zero planes for MSFS and so many bugs and broken items to fix. 

Unless you're happy just putting around in a 152 looking at the ground. 

I'm likely returning MSFS for now.

Do you actually own msfs? 

My Sim > your Sim , AVSIM since for ever lol 

1 hour ago, badger2000 said:

You really need to try it before you post comments like that.  I saw enormous buildings in p3d, ten times larger than they should have been.  The visuals in msfs far outweigh p3d.  Give it a go and don't rely on what you read on the forums. 

Didn’t say P3D was perfect. I also do not rely only what I’ve read on forums which has been very extensive reading both the pros and cons of MSFS. I’ve also watched about 75 hours of MSFS videos showing both the pros and cons of the new sim. I’ve seen the same issues with buildings in MSFS based on poor quality Bing map images. I’ve seen bridges missing, airports missing because they are blurred out in bing maps, green pavement and boats under water.

I’ve also seen some awesome scenery, clouds and highly detail buildings and planes in the MSFS videos. The visuals may be great just like a new high end luxury car which will get me to the store, but I will still need my 18 year old Jeep to get me to the nice fishing spot in the middle of no where and it will also get me to the store.

I will enjoy P3D for awhile yet with all my planes and ORBX scenery and wait for MSFS to get the bugs worked out. 
 

John Cottreau 

16 hours ago, badger2000 said:

Do you actually own msfs? 

Yes I do and P3D 4.5.

19 hours ago, duckbilled said:

I never bought P3DV5. I just didn't make sense, because if the pain of converting from v4.5 and the vram issues. So far, I like MSFS, and I think the default aircraft are ok for vfr fun. They look pretty good, and seem to operate in a predictable, but not necessarily accurate, manner.

I do expect to move away from P3DV4.5 once PMDG releases the NGX for MSFS. I'll also need full Navigraph integration, improvements in live weather (Active Sky), good offline AI traffic (AIG), and GSX before I'll truly be able to ditch P3D. I'm sure all of those things will be available eventually.

In short, I wouldn't bother with V5 if you already have V4.

My sentiments exactly!!!

As I read the web about P3D V5 and MSFS 2020, most discussion talks about the viewing aspect: nice sky, nice clouds, wonderfull landscapes.

Comparing both sims, what about the flight engine, navigation, ATC ?
Example 1:
P3D V4 doesn't support ATIS over VOR frequency (comes through NAV audio), asking Skyvector:
YPDN: DARWIN ATIS:    112.60 on VOR DN
YMML: MELBOURNE ATIS:    114.10 on VOR ML
KBWI: BALTIMORE D-ATIS: 115.1 on VORTAC BAL
couldn't be used in P3D V4, possible in P3D V5 / MSFS ?

Reading Flysimware Falcon manual, searching for "limitations":
- Due to simulator limitations both batteries will charge/drain at all times.
- MAG/TRUE swap: Due to flight sim limitations these buttons are not independent. Same for the compass card.
- PITOT (Pilot and copilot pitot switches. Due to limitations both are synced together)
Can I expect such limitation resolved in the newer sims ?
Or runs a decade old engine under the hood that no one likes to touch - not in the past, not now and not in future ?
Compared with a car getting every year a new body but runs with a twenty year old motor (=FSX) ?

Helicopters: in FSX,I bought the Dodosim that gave me many helicopter-specific enhancements of the flight model. There are enhancements as HTR. Anything of this integrated into the new sims ?

Integrated support for Navigraph updates ?

Do I expect too much ? 38 years after FS 1.0, 14 Years after FSX ?
In five years: P3D V7, MSFS 2025 - but the same old limitations ?

On 8/29/2020 at 5:19 PM, badger2000 said:

 The visuals in msfs far outweigh p3d.

I'm using MSFS and P3D4.5 and in some ways, particular in terms of photoreal fidelity, MSFS definitely outweighs P3D w/ FTX regional scenery.  But in other ways P3D w/ FTX regionals combined w/ REX SkyForce & ASN4, 'visuals' are often more pleasant to look at than much of what I see in MSFS.  But I think it's also in part because of what I'm used to looking at.  Sometimes I think MSFS looks more like what reality might look like--perhaps if my best distance visual acuity was only say 20:80.  I flew out of KSBA rwy 07 at dawn and as I was banking northeast towards and over the mountains I looked out at the night lighting and it was just so ugly looking from lower elevation, maybe just 2500' looking left out the window.  Just weird and artificial.  But unexpectedly a few more thousand feet up the lights got much smaller and started to look much better.   With the poetic license developers enjoy they can create a variety of realities that may end up looking better than real, and sometimes I see this in P3D that I don't yet see in MSFS.  Haze in mountains using P3D/REX/ASN4 just looks fabulous, whereas in MSFS it can look way too uniform or something like that.  What's super cool for me though is MSFS is great for those sub FL180 flights and the TBM930 is pretty fun actually.  So yes, in general more photoreal for certain, and that's new to me and I'm enjoying it.  My only complaint is there is often a certain fuzziness (like having 20:80 distance visual acuity) that I don't see in P3D, and I'm running HIGH to ULTRA 200/200 and leave Rendering at 100 else the RTX 2070 Super is killed.

 

Edited September 3, 20205 yr by Noel

Microsoft flight Simulator 2020  = 1000AGL

P3D = +30000Ft

Cheers

To me it's almost like comparing apples and oranges. It really depends on your preferred type of flying. I have both P3Dv% and MSFS2020 and I enjoy them both for varying reasons.

If I want to do IFR practice in real weather, or fly any type of complex a/c - P3D is the way to go.

If I want low and slow sightseeing flights with not too much concern about weather or flight dynamics - I absolutely enjoy MSFS2020.

Will MSFS mature? Probably so but for real IFR and real weather type of flying, it will take some time. Asobo seems really committed to improving the sim so I look forward to seeing what they can come up with. Meanwhile MSFS is also serving to bring more new people into the flightsim world. Some will stay and some will move on, but the more that are in it, the more incentive for 3PD's to produce add on content.

It really is a great time to be a simmer!

 

Vic

On 8/29/2020 at 9:29 PM, SirDan said:

If you want to play an older outdated sim then sure but supporting the Next Generation of Flight Simulators is MSFS 2020 , perfect atm on a Day 11 release ? no , Study level aircraft ? It's being worked on right now. VR flying coming. I mean if you have the money go buy all the flight sims but if you have to choose just one then MSFS 2020 all the way. 

This new generation of flight simmers is not going to be jumping into P3D  they will buy MSF 2020 and wherever the road leads them after that then who knows. 

P3D an outdated sim. LOL. It is being used in real world flightsimulators and many simmers  over the world.
That you are in the MSFS hype is fine but be more realistic.

Regarding MSFS : very nice for VFR flying but absolutely not ready for IFR flying. All jetliners vids show smooth gauges with stutters in the outside views. And these are none complex ac. People have to mod the glass cockpits refreshrate to get less stutters.

There is no such thing as a free ride : you really are expecting all the eyecandy + jetliners with complex systems + many AI ac + bad weather icw good FPS ? 
 
Streaming tiles is very taxing on the system. Asobo has done an incredible job. TileProxy could only be smooth up to 80-100 knots. World Terrain managed 120-140 knots. 
And now 220+ knots with a complex ac at low altitude you really think that it will be more smooth than XP or P3D ? You can’t be that naive.

It’s all about balance. And being realistic of what to expect. Doesn’t matter what sim.