The one thing I regret is not enjoying it while it lasted oh well, good lesson- all good things come to an end. 

32 minutes ago, Colonel X said:

This whole "optimized for XBOX" is just complete BS, sorry.

I see it like this, Asobo is trying to cater to two situations:

1. My sim looks great, but I get stutters (low FPS).

2. My sim ist fast as lightning, but it looks bad.

They are tuning the middle ground here, with a focus on great performance. And they succeed, in this department, MSFS already beats the tar out of any other sim out there. Once they are satisfied, they will offer, or we will find, ways to add in more detail.

Your claim that the X Box theory is BS ignores commercial reality. MS is not a charity for flight simmers. They are going where they make most money.

Your other 2 points don't fit with the 'incredible' claims made by hundreds of new posters flooding this forum when the sim was launched. They were supposedly getting 60 to 100 fps and perfect scenery on basic laptops. Anyone questioning those claims was shot down immediately. So why would Asobo need to tune to the middle ground.

Initially MSFS beat other sims with it's remarkable scenery and very pretty graphics on the default aircraft. It cannot do many things that other sims manage to do, although I hope it will eventually become a fully functioning 'Flight' simulator. But that is not the case at the moment. The priorities seem to be with scenery more than flight, and are not necessarily improvements..  

9 minutes ago, Biggles2010 said:

Your claim that the X Box theory is BS ignores commercial reality. MS is not a charity for flight simmers. They are going where they make most money.

Explain to me why Asobo would alter the PC version now just because an XBOX version is to be released sometime in the future? It doesn't make sense. The XBOX version will be optimised for XBOX, that has nothing to do with the PC version. That they "downgrade" the PC version beforehand, to make the XBOX version look better (in like, 6 months) is just a far fetched, somewhat ridiculous idea.

51 minutes ago, fppilot said:

I have missed something.  Where is the LOD setting?  Is that a reference to either or both of Terrain Level of Detail and Object Level of Detail?  And to what degree is altitude a factor? 

Anyone?

 

5 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

I don’t need a video when multiple people are reporting it here and masses over the official forums. And it is as clear as daylight when you are flying. Just when things were looking up! 

I remember when a lot of people reported that eating pop rocks and drinking soda will make your stomach explode, or that putting batteries in the freezer helped make them last longer

Point is, the fact that collective belief doesn't make something true.

Here's a much more likely scenario.   We've become "jaded".  The new car smell is wearing off and we are noticing imperfections that we didn't notice before because we wer overwhelmed by what we initially were experiencing.  You buy a new car and it's perfect.  Then as you own it, you notice little imperfections you hadn't before.  The car didn't magically get worse, you got more critical.  

We're now getting more "used" to what MSFS is offering, so now we notice pop in when we didn't before.  We notice the melting buildings or vegetation flaws that we didn't notice early on.  

The longer we own the sim, the more we will notice it's imperfections.  That is basic human behavior.  And it explains a lot more than some half cocked idea that a developer would cripple a version of software written for $1500 plus PC's to sell a $500 Gaming system.  

To think otherwise is to believe that the flight simulator market is not the incredibly narrow niche market that in reality, it is.

News Flash...Microsoft is not counting on Flight Sim to push Series X sales.  Games like Halo Infinite Assassin's Creed Valhalla, which will move more than 10x the volume of Flight Simulator is what will move Series X sales.

Edited September 30, 20205 yr by wthomas33065

Since we all seem to have an overabundance of tinfoil...maybe they didn't reduce the LOD radius. Maybe they just made the trees that everyone complained were too big and too pervasive at launch smaller with less coverage. (gee thanks @MatthewS 😉😂)

I'm with @Colonel X, I'm not seeing a drastic reduction in LOD and I'm not seeing any mass pop in. Occasionally I'll see some terrain morphing into greater detail. I do see the trees in particular appear to fade in starting at some distance out (maybe 15-20 miles?) and become gradually thicker starting at maybe 10 miles out. I'm willing to concede that this may not be as noticeable at 1080p. I'm not saying that people aren't having issues, but I don't think that a simple "They nerfed LOD...'cause Xbox" is a viable explanation.

 

9 minutes ago, wthomas33065 said:

Please provide one "shred" of evidence that this is an intentional nerfing for the upcoming Xbox release.  One statement by a company official, something that doesn't come wrapped in Tinfoil.

I never said any of that to begin with. And your analogy’s are rubbish, to be blunt. 
PS if you’d bothered to look, you will see plenty of screenshot examples over at the official forums. 

24 minutes ago, Colonel X said:

Explain to me why Asobo would alter the PC version now just because an XBOX version is to be released sometime in the future? It doesn't make sense. The XBOX version will be optimised for XBOX, that has nothing to do with the PC version. That they "downgrade" the PC version beforehand, to make the XBOX version look better (in like, 6 months) is just a far fetched, somewhat ridiculous idea.

What makes you think the X Box version is being developed as a separate project, 'nothing to do with the pc version'. That would be the somewhat ridiculous idea.

As you are so certain about these things, perhaps you would offer your explanation why the scenery has been downgraded for so many users, even if you have not seen it.

35 minutes ago, Colonel X said:

Explain to me why Asobo would alter the PC version now just because an XBOX version is to be released sometime in the future? It doesn't make sense. The XBOX version will be optimised for XBOX, that has nothing to do with the PC version. That they "downgrade" the PC version beforehand, to make the XBOX version look better (in like, 6 months) is just a far fetched, somewhat ridiculous idea.

So, what's the alternative?

They are just sloppy or careless or like their product looking worse with every patch?

Just now, Biggles2010 said:

As you are so certain about these things, perhaps you would offer your explanation why the scenery has been downgraded for so many users, even if you have not seen it.

I think all they did was change the effect of the LOD slider. So people will get less distance at same settings. And they probably limited the maximum setting.

3 minutes ago, Biggles2010 said:

What makes you think the X Box version is being developed as a separate project, 'nothing to do with the pc version'. That would be the somewhat ridiculous idea.

Not saying they're not closely related. 

1 minute ago, Carlosx said:

So, what's the alternative?

They are just sloppy or careless or like their product looking worse with every patch?

Or your perceptions are changing because you are noticing imperfections you overlooked before.  Classic "new car" syndrome.  The longer we use the product, the more we note it's imperfections.  Imperfections that were always there, yet we missed because we were in awe with what we were first noticing.  

Perfect example  I was (still am) in awe of the clouds,  But now I notice that the sim re-uses several cloud formations.  In real life, cloud formations are unique.  Even two anvil shaped thunderheads are unique.  In flight sim I've notice quite a few cloud formations that seem "re-used".  Didn't notice that before.  But I'm not going to say they "nerfed" clouds so they could optimize for Xbox.

5 minutes ago, wthomas33065 said:

But I'm not going to say they "nerfed" clouds so they could optimize for Xbox.

I already hear it.

2 hours ago, Scimiter said:

 Let us not forget it is supposed to be a flight simulator not a scenery simulator.  I would personally like to see all the flight systems tweaked and working perfectly before all this messing with the scenery. I am an old guy who first started simming on the Commodore 64, just think a flight sim programmed to work with 64k memory! So I am over the moon with what we have today.

Same here, but since aircrafts are screwed at least we expect that they don't ruin the scenery which worked fine.

25 minutes ago, Colonel X said:

I think all they did was change the effect of the LOD slider. So people will get less distance at same settings. And they probably limited the maximum setting.

I agree based on flights around the Mediterranean yesterday and today. There is a noticeable difference in LOD. I have checked my graphics settings and they are the same as they were before the patch.

I think, just putting to one side (not dismissing) the Xbox theory I'd offer that it's a server issue and they're throttling. If that is the case then hopefully they'll increase resources and we'll get back to where we were.

 

Edited September 30, 20205 yr by Will Fly For Cheese