1 hour ago, Dillon said:

Workingtitle alluded to the fact they found a way to MOD the premium aircraft.  They said their eyeing the Longitude.

To be clear and transparent with everyone, we would not be redistributing DRM'd or 'cracked' content and anything we did would not work for someone without the full aircraft installed on their system by owning the correct edition of MSFS. There are several above-board methods to influence even the premium models, which we will look at more closely when our G3000 gurus get to fully supporting the Longitude.

3 minutes ago, cwburnett said:

To be clear and transparent with everyone, we would not be redistributing DRM'd or 'cracked' content and anything we did would not work for someone without the full aircraft installed on their system by owning the correct edition of MSFS. There are several above-board methods to influence even the premium models, which we will look at more closely when our G3000 gurus get to fully supporting the Longitude.

Right, I don't know the tech talk but this is what we are advocating. No free access to airplanes. 

Two questions:

1. Has anyone asked Joerg Neumann about this? He seems like a chatty guy. I'm sure he has an answer.

2. Since Neumann has called out the Working Title guys positively in the latest Q&A, wouldn't it make sense for Asobo and Microsoft to at least give the modders access to the required files, and then the modded aircraft becomes part of the official download and is locked again.

Edited October 29, 20205 yr by Ricardo41

44 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

Two questions:

1. Has anyone asked Joerg Neumann about this? He seems like a chatty guy. I'm sure he has an answer.

2. Since Neumann has called out the Working Title guys positively in the latest Q&A, wouldn't it make sense for Asobo and Microsoft to at least give the modders access to the required files, and then the modded aircraft becomes part of the official download and is locked again.

so recruit those freeware developers without paying them, outside of MS/Asobo formal development processes, and then include that freeware code into the formal update delivery for a million unit+ selling game? not gonna happen

The X-Plane Zibo mod is an excellent example. Flying the 748i with a reverse logo in one side of the plane is absurd to say the least.

Thanks, I've been trying to convince people for almost month to vote for the same thing: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/unlock-fsarchive-files-for-premium-and-deluxe-aircraft/297881/8

I had 154 votes tallied. Another 50 or so votes and we might have made it into the top 20.

Edited October 29, 20205 yr by KenG

15 hours ago, WarpD said:

Yeah.... give them something free that others have paid for... brilliant!!

They can keep the the model files locked under the .fsarchive and still keep things secured while allowing modders to mess with the ,cfg, .html, .js, .xml files. 

Besides, it seems that someone has already busted the .fsarchive DRM and on the shadier sites have released all the premium and deluxe aircraft. So it is just those of us trying to follow the rules that are not allowed to modify the airplanes. A lock only keeps an honest man honest...

The issue I have it that we paid (quite a bit more) for "premium/deluxe" aircraft and they are no different from the standard aircraft.(in a couple cases lacking more than the standard). The to top it off, they're locked up tight so you can't fix issues with them.

I dont have the game, could someone tell me if Ive understood the situation correctly?:

All aircraft from the Standard edition are open and accessible on the hard disk - but Deluxe and Premium Deluxe planes are not (guess they are encrypted). The OP wants Asobo to open up the latter as well so they can be modded. 

I am still confused about fairness - wouldn't this give people who got the Standard access to all the additional planes at no cost? I'll be surprised if this ever happens. MS wont have it. Then again in gaming anything can happen. 

It is cool though to see people who DO own the deluxe versions welcoming the idea, the yearning for a more realistic experience is there. But its a tricky area I feel because some of those who did fork out the extra $ for the deluxes will feel miffed.

It would be interesting to know how sales of MSFS2020 have broken out percentage wise across the three versions of the sim. And I would not be surprised to learn that over the last month or so sales have shifted more towards the standard version of the sim.  I have to wonder in retrospect if one sim for one price might have been the better way to go thus simplifying things and eliminating the need to 'lock' access to the files of some aircraft.

Regardless, at this point I agree it seems it would make sense for MS to unlock the files needed for modification work while still keeping the model files protected.

Al

Edited October 29, 20205 yr by ark

6 minutes ago, ThrottleUp said:

 

I am still confused about fairness - wouldn't this give people who got the Standard access to all the additional planes at no cost?

No,  just read the above posts. 😉

Crud, MSFS merged the threads in the wishlist, good for the wishlist, bad for those who voted. 102 Votes got lost. PLEASE, if you voted for the OP's thread go to this thread and vote again. 

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/unlock-fsarchive-files-for-premium-and-deluxe-aircraft/297881/8 

2 hours ago, KenG said:

it seems that someone has already busted the .fsarchive DRM and on the shadier sites have released all the premium and deluxe aircraft

Of course, that makes it all good, right?

 

2 hours ago, WarpD said:

Of course, that makes it all good, right?

 

Not at all. Just pointing out that DRM is only a measure to keep honest people honest.

4 hours ago, KenG said:

Not at all. Just pointing out that DRM is only a measure to keep honest people honest.

Happily paid for the Premium stuff so could complain about it/their shortcomings here legitimately, and praise the WT guys and everyone developing to make this so much better!  Worth it 🙂