20 minutes ago, Nedo68 said:

i doubt anyone will store all this info just because your paused the game

It's already possible - I did this all the time in P3D with ActiveSky.

 

Edited December 6, 20205 yr by RALF9636

26 minutes ago, Nedo68 said:

you need a time machine, i doubt anyone will store all this info just because your paused the game

maybe for the next 2 months 😅   just dont pause, land the thing! 😉

Just because you don't fall into that use case doesn't mean it isn't important for others. To each their own... as @RALF9636 mentioned: it can be done using ActiveSky. That's one of the things I'd look forward to pay HiFi to do, and that 99% sure Asobo won't develop.

ASOBO / MS could have considered an alternative weather feed, independent from the meteoblue contract/partnership, giving way for the seasoned brands that have been serving our community for ages to get their chance to offer alternatives.

 

Edited December 6, 20205 yr by jcomm

8 minutes ago, jcomm said:

ASOBO could have considered an alternative weather feed, independent from the meteoblue contracto/partnership, giving way for the seasoned brands that have been serving our community for ages to get their chance to offer alternatives.

 

Exactly, Jose, that's the thing many fail to understand: Asobo is shutting down the possibility for others to provide something that will give us more options as customers/users. I fail to understand why  giving third parties that choice seems to bother others in this thread. If HiFi provides something that you don't need, fine: don't buy it. But having Asobo lock down access via the SDK to something we've already had in the past iterations of the simulator isn't something I'm happy about, specially considering the weather in MSFS, in my experience, has been more miss than hit in the regions I fly.

Edited December 6, 20205 yr by evaamo

51 minutes ago, evaamo said:

Exactly, Jose, that's the thing many fail to understand: Asobo is shutting down the possibility for others to provide something that will give us more options as customers/users. I fail to understand why  giving third parties that choice seems to bother others in this thread. If HiFi provides something that you don't need, fine: don't buy it. But having Asobo lock down access via the SDK to something we've already had in the past iterations of the simulator isn't something I'm happy about, specially considering the weather in MSFS, in my experience, has been more miss than hit in the regions I fly.

I think we are beginning to see a pattern here. We are getting the same complaints from other 3PD's. They are trying to be diplomatic, but I wonder how long it is going to take for some to realize what is happening here. You may not care about weather, but eventually, something you care about will be sidelined by this crew if this spirit of non-collaboration continues. 

We are not the customer. Asobo/MS really don't care what we want. This sim/game is not for us. As I said earlier, it is a demo for technology that has far greater applications (municipal, military, commercial, autonomous vehicles...). We are paying for the privilege of showcasing/testing the tech. Also, the XBox release is the priority. Why? if they hose that up it will be very public, and it could jeopardize the main source of revenue needed to fund a 10 year process of developing the tech which is intended for much more lucrative applications.

If this was really being developed with us a the intended audience, they would have asked us what we wanted before they began development. We would have been invited to focus groups, filled out surveys... Instead, they developed the project first, and then asked the FS community to provide their input after the product was pretty much ready for Alpha. In planning circles (I'm an urban planner by profession), this is known as placation. You make people think you care about their concerns, but you really don't. You have already decided what you are doing - you just need to convince the stakeholders that your ideas are actually their ideas. The result is people who hate the established FS ecosystem (AVSIM, PMDG, HiFi...), love open source applications, and despise closed systems, end up supporting a closed model that shuts out existing small businesses who can improve the experience for the consumer.

In short MS/AS wanted our approval, because our enthusiasm made the sim more credible. They needed buy-in from the community.

In a more perfect world, they would have put together focus groups here at AVSIM, FS.com, and similar sites. They would have asked us what we wanted in a new sim. They probably would have demoed something to give us a taste of what was possible, but they would have asked us what was important to us. They would have asked the users of the SDK (developers) what they wanted/needed. PMDG, HiFi and similar companies should have been involved in the writing of the SDK, not waiting for the release of the SDK. 

In fairness, if you asked me what I wanted in 2018, I probably would have opted for a AIO sim, but that would have come with one important caveat - don't do it half way. Either get it right the first time, or let someone else do it. We are getting nether, and that isn't cool.

24 minutes ago, duckbilled said:

In short MS/AS wanted our approval, because our enthusiasm made the sim more credible. They needed buy-in from the community.

In a more perfect world, they would have put together focus groups here at AVSIM, FS.com, and similar sites. They would have asked us what we wanted in a new sim.

Around launch time I found a podcast that Jorg and Seb did with an aviation enthusiast. 

He asked if either of them had tried X-Plane or P3D, in order to assess the competition.

The response was basically "no, those are too hard".

FLIGHT in sheep's clothing. 😉

45 minutes ago, duckbilled said:

In a more perfect world, they would have put together focus groups here at AVSIM, FS.com, and similar sites. They would have asked us what we wanted in a new sim.

I just remember reading prior to MSFS launch, on this very forum, that lots of people wanted a sim that had everything included... no need to buy all the addons to "fix" what was not working in the sim... etc.

I actually think that they have done a pretty good job, and we are only a few months into this... why not enjoy what works well, and give the missing pieces some time to sort themselves out..  Too many armchair quarterbacks here IMHO 😉

1 minute ago, Bert Pieke said:

I just remember reading prior to MSFS launch, on this very forum, that lots of people wanted a sim that had everything included... no need to buy all the addons to "fix" what was not working in the sim... etc.

I actually think that they have done a pretty good job, and we are only a few months into this... why not enjoy what works well, and give the missing pieces some time to sort themselves out..  Too many armchair quarterbacks here IMHO 😉

And conspiracy theorists..

55 minutes ago, marsman2020 said:

Around launch time I found a podcast that Jorg and Seb did with an aviation enthusiast. 

He asked if either of them had tried X-Plane or P3D, in order to assess the competition.

The response was basically "no, those are too hard".

I will only believe this with a link to a video or transcript.

Kind regards, Michael

42 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

I just remember reading prior to MSFS launch, on this very forum, that lots of people wanted a sim that had everything included... no need to buy all the addons to "fix" what was not working in the sim... etc.

I actually think that they have done a pretty good job, and we are only a few months into this... why not enjoy what works well, and give the missing pieces some time to sort themselves out..  Too many armchair quarterbacks here IMHO 😉

What in the world are you talking about....lol.  ASOBO have said they want to hear from us for starters.  They said they want a hard core sim first.  We are enjoying what we have, secondly.  We're not bagging on ASOBO.  These are really basic items that are required for any type of flying, quite honestly.

Are you just trolling us here?  What's your deal?

Another thing while we're at it...There's nothing wrong with being nit picky or wanting things to be added, according to the ASOBO.  They said they'll add it if they can.  

This has actually been a pretty good thread.

Edited December 6, 20205 yr by Jeff Nielsen

53 minutes ago, marsman2020 said:

Around launch time I found a podcast that Jorg and Seb did with an aviation enthusiast. 

He asked if either of them had tried X-Plane or P3D, in order to assess the competition.

The response was basically "no, those are too hard".

I had that in mind when I was writing my post. I find it amazing that they didn't check out the existing sims. Maybe not P3D, but they should have spent time in FSX and X-Plane. They their goal was to produce an all-inclusive sim, seeing what is available in those sims should have been part of the research. The aircraft certainly look great.

31 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

I just remember reading prior to MSFS launch, on this very forum, that lots of people wanted a sim that had everything included... no need to buy all the addons to "fix" what was not working in the sim... etc.

I actually think that they have done a pretty good job, and we are only a few months into this... why not enjoy what works well, and give the missing pieces some time to sort themselves out..  Too many armchair quarterbacks here IMHO 😉

 

1 hour ago, duckbilled said:

In fairness, if you asked me what I wanted in 2018, I probably would have opted for a AIO sim, but that would have come with one important caveat - don't do it half way. Either get it right the first time, or let someone else do it. We are getting nether, and that isn't cool.

Bert, I quoted myself, because I do want a sim with a limited number of add ons. The cost is less of an issue for me. I just think we spent too much time in the other sims trying to get everything to place nice. We would fix one thing and break something else creating an endless circle of tweaking. Still. if they are going to do something, they have to do it right. If they can't, someone else should pick up the baton. It appears that they are limiting other's ability to up the baton. 

The scenery in this sim is too good to go back to another sim, so I think we need it to be as good as possible as fast as possible. The more we have working on it, the fast we will get there.

I know I may be in the minority here, but having full AI with accurate paints and models, realistic aircraft like PMDG's products, nav data, and accurate weather is important to me. For GA folks, I can see that those things may not be that important.

Either way, all of us win if there are more people at the table.

20 minutes ago, pmb said:

I will only believe this with a link to a video or transcript.

Kind regards, Michael

I was going to mention it in my original post, but I couldn't find a source. I hope it isn't true.

8 minutes ago, duckbilled said:

I know I may be in the minority here, but having full AI with accurate paints and models, realistic aircraft like PMDG's products, nav data, and accurate weather is important to me.

There are lots of things that we would all like to see... agreed!   Lets be a little bit patient before dumping all over Asobo though...

As a GA guy, I would like some properly working Garmin avionics... and I am impatiently waiting for the scheduled February update which may or may not deliver that  😉

Failing that, I would also like to see the established 3rd parties, like RXP, involved.. so that lines up with your message.

Edited December 6, 20205 yr by Bert Pieke

2 hours ago, duckbilled said:

We are not the customer. Asobo/MS really don't care what we want. This sim/game is not for us.

That's what I have been saying about Prepar3D all along, I do not care what the end game is for us as long as we can continue to enjoy the many sims out there.  I will be happy if MS/Asobo, LM & LR keep adding features (seasons, snow accumulation/dissipation etc.) that everyone wants.