2 minutes ago, bendead said:

If now one started to call them off, would you have known?

No, you're absolutely right, man.   If the folks who actually bought the plane and examined the content hadn't made a concrete factual statement about what is there, I would not have known.  

But I don't recall, it's been a long thread, were you one of them? 😄

1 minute ago, Armchair Pilot said:

To be fair, if he got into the protected files of the 787, i tip my hat off to him.

From a previous reply I got, everything from the 787 was included on the standard version, but the 3d models, not sure if it's external and/or cockpit

15 minutes ago, Armchair Pilot said:

Thank you! Pretty hilarious reading all the "787 copy paste cockpit" comments. Folks are now at this point just repeating what others say without doing themselves a favour and researching.

People don't take the time to research these days.  I've never paid attention to the MAX cockpit, but a quick youtube search made me think " hmm pretty close." Textures look bad, but the layout isn't far off.  

9 minutes ago, Armchair Pilot said:

To be fair, if he got into the protected files of the 787, i tip my hat off to him.

The textures that were apparently copied are not in the "encrypted" content.

(Besides, even if they were, it's possible to extract anything from one of the fsarchive files with a bit of effort and knowhow.   I've done it, myself.   With a big image, if present, it would be annoying as heck, but not a major technical feat.   And to be clear, there's no "hacking" involved.)

Edited February 9, 20215 yr by kaosfere

9 minutes ago, bendead said:

From a previous reply I got, everything from the 787 was included on the standard version, but the 3d models, not sure if it's external and/or cockpit

Far from true, the 787 is its own download once you purchase the prem deluxe, it doesn't even appear as AI traffic unless you own prem deluxe. 

 

Source: i had standard for a month before opting into prem deluxe.

 

Yet again, a quick google would suffice these misconceptions instead of just echoing non truths.

 

10 minutes ago, tgsweat said:

People don't take the time to research these days.  I've never paid attention to the MAX cockpit, but a quick youtube search made me think " hmm pretty close." Textures look bad, but the layout isn't far off.  

Yup, like im all for pointing out the glaring font on the panels issue, but like... its a 20 euro 737 max cockpit.

2 minutes ago, Armchair Pilot said:

Yet again, a quick google would suffice these misconceptions instead of just echoing non truths.

So you choose to read some part of what I said "From a previous reply I got"

4 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

The 787's instruments (the coding and screens) come with the base sim, they're in a separate folder (asobo-vcockpits-instruments-b787-10) and they are not encrypted.

The actual pieces of the model though, that's a problem, they don't come with the sim.

I think Tuskin got it right there, did you even look at your folders before upgrading?

FWIW, I just got a mail back from the developer.  It says:

 

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Hello Sir, Yes we are Microsoft partner and there are no problem to use default files, also because the aircraft will be' soon integrate in the pfficial market place,  the same was for eurofighter tha use many integrated games file and it is approved and on sell in the official market. We are a small development team and we know that the product is not perfect bu we wish your community can like this product and why not improve the functionality. 

 

Given that, especially as others have stated the Typhoon IS on the marketplace and apparently similarly reuses assets with Microsoft's approval, I can't think of any reason to question this assertion.  I definitely appreciate the rapid (and reasonable) response from the developer.

I think, unless there is actual action from the copyright holder to enforce their rights or a definitive reason to question the presence of an agreement that the developer says they have, one has to assume this is on the right side of the law.

In which case the argument about it reverts to whether or not what's there is worth the price, and I am not dipping back into that one because there is no good to be done there.

1 minute ago, bendead said:

So you choose to read some part of what I said "From a previous reply I got"

I think Tuskin got it right there, did you even look at your folders before upgrading?

Yes, i did actually. Was part of the great search to find the base files of the sim to see what else was under the hood awaiting us. They even had VR UI controls back at release but nobody said anything.

12 minutes ago, Armchair Pilot said:

Far from true, the 787 is its own download once you purchase the prem deluxe, it doesn't even appear as AI traffic unless you own prem deluxe. 

The models, textures config files and all that stuff in the 'asobo-aircraft-b787-10" folder  are downloaded with the Deluxe content yes, but the instruments and flight computer and all that, come with the base sim are all in The 'asobo-vcockpits-instruments-b787-10' folder.

Edited February 9, 20215 yr by Tuskin38

Just now, Tuskin38 said:

The models, textures config files and all that yes, but the actual panel coding and that, come with the base sim. The 'asobo-vcockpits-instruments-b787-10' folder.

Interesting, never thought of it that way. Always expected the vc modelling to be shipped in the base crafts folder. Happy to be corrected regardless.

7 minutes ago, Armchair Pilot said:

Interesting, never thought of it that way. Always expected the vc modelling to be shipped in the base crafts folder. Happy to be corrected regardless.

It is.   The "vcockpit" word in the directory name is slightly misleading.   All of the 3d models, from what I see, are contained within the actual aircraft package.   What is in the vcockpits directory is the code that drives the FMC, displays, and other instruments within the cockpit.   That stuff is part of the core sim and can be used by anyone.

Edited February 9, 20215 yr by kaosfere

17 minutes ago, kaosfere said:

FWIW, I just got a mail back from the developer.  It says:

 

 

Given that, especially as others have stated the Typhoon IS on the marketplace and apparently similarly reuses assets with Microsoft's approval, I can't think of any reason to question this assertion.  I definitely appreciate the rapid (and reasonable) response from the developer.

I think, unless there is actual action from the copyright holder to enforce their rights or a definitive reason to question the presence of an agreement that the developer says they have, one has to assume this is on the right side of the law.

In which case the argument about it reverts to whether or not what's there is worth the price, and I am not dipping back into that one because there is no good to be done there.

Hmm all be damned, the Eurofighter is in the official marketplace with obvious Asobo assets ..odd.  Maybe Asobo is not interested in drawing the ire of the Modder community.  That has destroyed games in the past.   Asseto Corsa died in beta (its since come back) because the developer was inflexible with Modded cars from NFS and Forza.  Then they made it impossible to even get a from scratch car approved.  Everyone saw this as a money grab tactic because they started putting out the car packs themselves and aggressively accusing modders of using illegal property.  It was not pretty for a few months.  Asseto corsa took a see no evil approach and now they are turning a blind eye to conversions on certain forums as long as it isn't official and can't be tied to them.  They still warn people on their official forum but quite a few Russians have made the game more enjoyable. 

I hope we get to keep it.  My opinion is that (possible legal issues notwithstanding) it is worth 20 bucks and will get better.

3 hours ago, bendead said:

Now we have the coding behind it. I did not buy this addon, but since you are cursing at me to defend them, I am sure you did. Would be nice to compare it with the stock 787 and check for similarities.

You have the coding behind it but did not buy it. Did you rip-off this 737 MAX? How on earth did you determine 90% of this plane is a rip-off from Asobo/MS? Please, you make a statement like that you need to prove it.

6 minutes ago, aniiran said:

Hmm all be damned, the Eurofighter is in the official marketplace with obvious Asobo assets ..odd.  Maybe Asobo is not interested in drawing the ire of the Modder community. 

I was initially a bit surprised to see that as well.   But after a bit of reflection, I actually don't find it all that surprising.   I fully believe that Microsoft and Asobo are truly interested in making the sim a solid, long lasting platform.  They are already very open and involved with folks in the modding community and have expressed a desire to be even moreso.  It makes sense to me that they'd let folks who asked nicely resell some of their assets for use in the sim it if brought more players in the door.  It's not like they're using the 787 sounds to make a plane for P3D.

If anything, this gives me even better feels about the future of the sim.

Edited February 9, 20215 yr by kaosfere

There are so many Lawyers who are also simmers! Amazing. 🙂