10 hours ago, B777ER said:

Well, a beta team member just posted on the topic I created at the PMDG forums that they were complaining about the pitch issue prior to release to no avail. Now people are piling into that thread (Pitch Twitchy in the 777 forum) and complaining left, right and center. I encourage all in here to join in and post your issues with the pitch axis in manual flight. It's current iteration is just terrible. 

I often wonder whats the point of beta testers , other than to drum up a bit of theatre a week before release date.

How you release an aircraft without spinning engines or being able to fly properly is beyond me, other than incompetence, arrogance or a steadfast belief it has to be released on a certain date to maximise revenue.   Maybe I'm missing something.  It was the same with V5, MSFS, 330,CRJ,all gaya sim scenerys, aerosoft TLV,  etc etc etc. 

We really are suckers. The likes of Captain Raz, Kok and best wishes Dave must be sitting at home laughing their heads off. 

 

Edited March 2, 20215 yr by fluffyflops

11 hours ago, Bryn said:

That's one steep price elasticity. I think the evidence we're seeing on prices suggests the market for these types of addons is actually very price inelastic.

I actually mostly agree. The decrease in purchasers here between $117 and $217 is probably not very significant. Now on the other hand, the difference between $217 and $60 would (IMHO) be a totally different story.

Once your prices are already in the stratosphere, you're talking by definition about a very limited, unique market to start with.

7 hours ago, Hoang said:

FYI PMDG released an update for all the 777 variants via Ops Center. Will test it later today

Cheers

The pitch issue is still being worked per a later post in that thread from RSR. He does say they hope to get a second update out before or during this upcoming weekend. I have to imagine it will be the pitch issue. I know if I were him I would be embarrassed that end users are getting a virtual simulation of riding a wild bull when flying manually trying to land it.

My $0.02 on the PMDG T7:

I bought the P3D base (200LR + Freighter) in February 2015 for $89.99. I added the 300ER expansion in June 2016 for $29.99.

I purchased those add-ons as they were both modern and active airframes in real world use and "fit" into my preferred flying with the Virtual Airline I was flying with.

In the past, while I flew real world long haul routes with the PMDG T7, I won't say that it was one of my "go-to" aircraft. While it was good, the virtual cockpit never really appealed to me...it always appeared "bland".

Again, in my opinion, when the FSL Airbuses were released, they became my go-to aircraft. Arguably, I was flying more short-haul and that airframe appealed to my flying preference. To mix things up, I would frequently fly the Majestic Q400.

These last two aircraft models are essentially "bug-free" and fly very well and are never dull. They were also airframes included with my VA.

Off course, I've also purchased the PMDG 747 and in December of 2019, I added the B748 variant. The latter add-on included an entirely new aircraft model, rainmaker (and bugs!) and the EFB for I recall $70.

My top 3 aircraft at the moment are the FSL, Majestic and the B748.

Last Friday, I downloaded the new (free) updates for the PMDG 200LR and 300ER variants. I've made about 8 flights with the new model. First off, I was one of the lucky ones that had no installation/activation issues.

The exterior model did not appear to have changed. In fact, I was able to load up one of my older freighter repaints without issues (eliminating the spec files and utilizing the default PMDG PBR alpha files).

I haven't noticed any specific VNAV issues...the LNAV (similar to their 747 series), will not follow the magenta line in time acceleration mode following a course change...in fact, I would argue the issue is much worse in the T7.

It was disappointing to see very little (if any) improvement to the virtual cockpit textures.

Although it's been a while since I've flown the T7 (I think I upgraded to P3D v5 in May 2020), the FBW was noticeable during hand flying. TBH, I haven't really noticed the pitch issue on landing...I'm disconnecting the AP about 1,000 ft above the runway and hand flying with auto throttle on approach.

My impression, so far with the new PMDG T7, after a handful of flights has been...meh.

I'm not here to voice a grievance against PMDG. I purchased this add-on aircraft 6 years ago and the recent updates were free. With that, I have nothing to complain about. That being said, I don't see anything (or enough, at least) in the base model to inspire me to spend an additional $77.72 to obtain an EFB, the same recycled airframe (yes, with new wings and engines) without a rainmaker nor PBR virtual cockpit at a relative cost that is higher than the B748 expansion that was released just 15 months ago.

Maybe the "promised" rebuild of the PMDG 777 to be released in the future will fulfill the expectations (new cockpit, VC PBR, rainmaker, etc). Time will tell.

After flying the PMDG 777 this past weekend, the last two evenings, I flew the B748 on a long haul followed by the CS767 on a long haul. The B748 never disappoints. I'll probably be "tarred and feathered" for the next comment, but, the CS767 was actually more enjoyable than the current 777 (with the exception of winds aloft not being automatically added to the FMC). When I consider the CS767 was purchased on sale for $80, it seems like a comparable value to the 200ER expansion, for an aircraft that is arguably much better modelled.

For me, this long awaited PMDG 777 release/upgrade was a bit of a disappointment.

4 hours ago, fluffyflops said:

How you release an aircraft without spinning engines or being able to fly properly is beyond me, other than incompetence, arrogance or a steadfast belief it has to be released on a certain date to maximise revenue.   Maybe I'm missing something.  It was the same with V5, MSFS, 330,CRJ,all gaya sim scenerys, aerosoft TLV,  etc etc etc. We really are suckers.

It's called "early access" specially in MSFS's case. In the flight sim world it's pretty much everything now.

I'm happy as a kid on Christmas 

12 hours ago, honanhal said:

I actually mostly agree. The decrease in purchasers here between $117 and $217 is probably not very significant. Now on the other hand, the difference between $217 and $60 would (IMHO) be a totally different story.

I think PMDG probably know the shape of their demand curve better than any of us, they profit maximize accordingly, and the set price tells us something about all that.

$140 bucks hahahahahahaha

10 hours ago, FPStewy said:

It's called "early access" specially in MSFS's case. In the flight sim world it's pretty much everything now.

In well aware of 'early access'. The idea was started 15 years ago by captainsim and has been a cancer on our community ever since.  Then PSS (who stole our money back in early 2000s when one day they closed their servers and did a runner to malta) they came back and rebranded as BBS and brought out 'prolougue' 

Then Other companies have cottened onto the idea people will give their hard money by being conned into unfinished product with a buzzword like 'prologue' and whatever Captainsim  called theirs.   You also had Air Simmer A320 did the same thing. 

Fast forward some 10 years,and over times its been a steady never ending supply of unfinished 'extended' products or 'early access'  which have basically sold customers unfinished products with the proviso they will be completed which most do not.   

No only have now developers realised there's money to be made from  finished products, the publishers such as Aerosoft and Orbx have Sussed the idea that they can sell them for them too by using the caveat "we are just the publishers, it's not our responsibility' 

Theres been no end of unfinished products from both of them in the last 3 to 5 years which they have quite happily sold. 

Then as if by magic for these conmen developers, twitch turned up, Where's there's a steady supply of young naive teenagers viewing and itching to spend their pocket money on something,  so the developers throw the streamers a copy of their half baked junk, tell them to give it some 'hype' and boom you've got yourself free advertising and a captive audience and easily manipulated kid's. 

There is nothing ever good that  has come out of

'pay to beta'

'extended' '

' early acess' 

'prologue' 

All it has done is give developers a carte blance to knock out half finished stuff (like this 777) and then lie to consumer with a promise that it will be a golden polished product at some point down the road. 

In my opinion its the worse thing e v e v e r  to happen to this community, its happened under our noses, and as good litte consumers we  take this junk as the new 'everyday normal' 

It's sinks, and what's even more baffling is there's people on here who actually think pay to beta is a good idea and benefits the community. 

Edited March 3, 20215 yr by fluffyflops

On 2/27/2021 at 3:44 AM, Christopher Low said:

I wonder how many people who refuse to pay $70 for a top study level expansion of a top study level aircraft do not even hesitate when paying $1500 for a top level graphics card? I know which one I think is the rip off.

And some will willingly cough up another $70 for this expansion, and in the same breath are holding off on MSFS for $59.99 because it's not ready yet....  Fascinating how people value this or that.

Aircraft in Flight Simulator - Standard Edition

• Airbus A320neo.
• Aviat Pitts Special S2S.
• Boeing 747-8 Intercontinental.
• CubCrafters XCub.
• Daher TBM 930.
• Diamond DA62.
• Diamond DA40 NG.
• EXTRA 330LT.

1 hour ago, Noel said:

And some will willingly cough up another $70 for this expansion, and in the same breath are holding off on MSFS for $59.99 because it's not ready yet....  Fascinating how people value this or that.

Aircraft in Flight Simulator - Standard Edition

• Airbus A320neo.
• Aviat Pitts Special S2S.
• Boeing 747-8 Intercontinental.
• CubCrafters XCub.
• Daher TBM 930.
• Diamond DA62.
• Diamond DA40 NG.
• EXTRA 330LT.

to be honest I paid the 130us version of MSFS and still haven't been able to fly the 787 that comes with it. and yes, it is still not ready.

4 minutes ago, ttbq1 said:

to be honest I paid the 130us version of MSFS and still haven't been able to fly the 787 that comes with it. and yes, it is still not ready.

For $59.99 is way more than ready.  Flown 200h of wonderment, flawless, IFR flights.  But these are in the fabulous TBM930 mostly.  $59.99 will get you TruEarth Washington State, with no airplane, and no simulator to run it in.

Edited March 3, 20215 yr by Noel

On 2/26/2021 at 7:10 PM, RW1 said:

There is an update which is free for the 777 if you don't want the -200ER.

Can you tell me how to find it per chance?  I looked on the PMDG website and could not find it for registered users of the prior version 777.  Thanks in advance

6 hours ago, Bryn said:

I think PMDG probably know the shape of their demand curve better than any of us, they profit maximize accordingly, and the set price tells us something about all that.

Maybe so. Not sure a thread full of prior PMDG customers saying they’ve lost them with this new addon’s pricing is the most persuasive place to make that argument, though!

PMDG can and do make business mistakes. And I’ll be blunt: it took a few years, but the conventional wisdom in places like Avsim seems to have more or less crystallized that they’ve lost the “most sophisticated high-end developer” title to FSL. If I were PMDG, I’d be taking time to take stock and reorient to reestablish the brand as top dog.

James

19 minutes ago, Noel said:

Can you tell me how to find it per chance?  I looked on the PMDG website and could not find it for registered users of the prior version 777.  Thanks in advance

Do you have the P3D version installed? The update takes place automatically via the PMDG Operations Center, that's how it was for me.