PMDG 777-200ER Released

[mikeymike 360]

How’s the performance?

im assuming it’s compatible with both v4 and v5 right?

cheers 

mike

[Hoang 108]

5 minutes ago, mikeymike said:

How’s the performance?

im assuming it’s compatible with both v4 and v5 right?

cheers 

mike

Performance overall good with my computer, comparing to 737 747 and FSL.

However, with 3 engine variants and bunch of time working, I wonder why there are so few paints come with it. I was surprised by that.

Edited February 28, 2021 by Hoang

[micstatic 4,319]

3 minutes ago, Hoang said:

However, with 3 engine variants and bunch of time working, I wonder why there are so few paints come with it. I was surprised by that.

I was a little disappointed also with the ER paints schemes that come with it.  Not many at all.  An example.  Id rather have 3 united livery types instead of 15 of the exact same scheme.  

[mikeymike 360]

3 minutes ago, Hoang said:

Performance overall good with my computer, comparing to 737 747 and FSL.

However, with 3 engine variants and bunch of time working, I wonder why there are so few paints come with it. I was surprised by that.

Are you on v4 or v5?

interesting about the repaints , perhaps due to PBR it takes longer?  
 

Mike

[Hoang 108]

26 minutes ago, mikeymike said:

Are you on v4 or v5?

interesting about the repaints , perhaps due to PBR it takes longer?  
 

Mike

Hi, I'm using V5.

Well there are many repaints for 200LR and 300ER (probably because it has been released for previous version), but 200ER, so few.

[Wise87 1,281]

52 minutes ago, micstatic said:

I was a little disappointed also with the ER paints schemes that come with it.  Not many at all.  An example.  Id rather have 3 united livery types instead of 15 of the exact same scheme.  

I agree. I think all the same paint schemes with different tail numbers have something to do with Global Flight Ops. I think the system is tail number driven and not based on airline type. I wonder how that’s going to work if someone flew in American 777 N1234 and I have N4321 installed. Does this mean I need to download another copy of the same paint scheme with a different tail number?

[Simicro 247]

8 hours ago, Hoang said:

Now you fly the newest platform of P3D and receive these updates FREE.

A business has to pay the salaries and the electricity so I do not believe in FREE things.

For marketing purposes it is presented as free, but it is more accurate to say "with no additional cost".

When the 777 was ported to P3D, the higher price (compared to FSX) was justified by the fact that it included future updates.

So actually we have already paid for the update that has just been released.

 

[Nemo 1,305]

I'm a loyal PMDG customer since 15 years, who has purchased nearly all titles of their FSX/P3D product line. Now it's the first time that I regret a purchase. The 200ER extension is simply not worth 78$ in my opinion. Most has been said here and in the PMDG forum. It is also notable, that in the official PMDG forum "Disappointment Posts" get locked very fast.

[kingm56 1,031]

12 hours ago, OzWhitey said:

They just released a new PBR visual model of the 200-LR, my ill-informed friend, so the answer to your rather snarky question - “Pray tel, when has PMDG released a new visual model for free?” - is “yesterday”

“this is essentially a full rebuild of the entire 777 product line, complete with new fly-by-wire, new flight models, new exterior models (pbr compatible with P3D v5) updated systems logic, added ground services, new sound engine, updated VNAV logic, integration for compatibility with PMDG Global Flight Operations, and much, much more.”

PMDG just released a very substantial free upgrade for a product that I bought back in February 2015. You’re also very wrong with regards to the 64-bit issue - “ 64-bit 777 = nope“. It’s actually “64-bit 777 = yep”, as they issued a free 64-bit update for my product after P3D v4 was released in 2017.

Perhaps you should try flying these aircraft rather than just bashing them, you might actually like it!

Updating the model to take advantage of PBR is vastly different than reconstructing the VC; the latter is far more time consuming than the former.  Also, the line you quoted is exactly what I was referring to regarding PMDG marketing prowess....

"PMDG just released a very substantial free upgrade for a product that I bought back in February 2015. You’re also very wrong with regards to the 64-bit issue - “ 64-bit 777 = nope“. It’s actually “64-bit 777 = yep”, as they issued a free 64-bit update for my product after P3D v4 was released in 2017."

Again, updating and/or recompiling software is vastly different than providing a new visual model for free. They have yet to provide a visual model (not PBR) for free..ever!  I bet you the new PMDG 777 VC will require the $77 expansion pack and/or be a separate purchase.  Care to place a wager on this notion, Oz?  

I own every PMDG aircraft available and acknowledge they produce amazing aircraft; in fact, the PMDG 777 is one of my top 2 favorite aircraft ever produced (LDS 767 is my #1).  Regardless, I'm educated enough in terms of business and software development to identify expert marketing, which PMDG excels at; again, your quote proves this.  Overall, I dislike the impact they've had on the aggregate market, which I highlighted in this thread.  I do appreciate the upgrade; however, this is in-line with almost every other aircraft developer in the space.  To that point, I can't think of a single major developer that charged for a V4 to V5 upgrade; from a public relations perspective, there was no way PMDG could charge for this upgrade after charging for the 64-bit upgrade. So, we got a full-court press that portrayed this update to be bigger than it was; again, most of the work was required to prepare the aircraft for MSFS port.  It's really simple, Oz...

[UAL4life 237]

I’m even more disappointed by the lack of fan blade animations. Especially when compared to the LR. 

[OzWhitey 3,353]

13 minutes ago, kingm56 said:

there was no way PMDG could charge for this upgrade after charging for the 64-bit upgrade.

Did you not read my post that you’re replying to? As I noted, you’re wrong about PMDG charging for 64 bit upgrades. I bought the P3D 777 in 2015. We didn’t have 64-bit P3D until over 2 years later.  FSL charged to upgrade their bus to a 64 bit version at this time, PMDG did not.

 

 

[Simicro 247]

18 minutes ago, UAL4life said:

I’m even more disappointed by the lack of fan blade animations. Especially when compared to the LR. 

That will be corrected soon.

[threexgreen 3,139]

13 hours ago, OzWhitey said:

- Cockpit may be old, but it looks decent. In particular, as a VR flier I find that the proportions are good and that your head doesn’t accidentally poke through the side window (unlike some other aircraft, such as the NGXU).

You'll find that poking your head out of (or bumping into) the side window is just a 737 thing as the cockpit is rather small and doesn't allow for a lot of movement. That's the beauty of flying in VR though, you get to 'be' in the cockpit and experience all these things about the real aircraft at home.

 

3 hours ago, micstatic said:

I was a little disappointed also with the ER paints schemes that come with it.  Not many at all.  An example.  Id rather have 3 united livery types instead of 15 of the exact same scheme.  

3 hours ago, Wise87 said:

I agree. I think all the same paint schemes with different tail numbers have something to do with Global Flight Ops.

We use the paints in GFO testing.

 

25 minutes ago, UAL4life said:

I’m even more disappointed by the lack of fan blade animations. Especially when compared to the LR. 

No need to be disappointed, it's a bug. It's obviously not supposed to be like this.

Edited February 28, 2021 by threegreen

[cyyzrwy24 127]

1 hour ago, Nemo said:

I'm a loyal PMDG customer since 15 years, who has purchased nearly all titles of their FSX/P3D product line. Now it's the first time that I regret a purchase. The 200ER extension is simply not worth 78$ in my opinion. Most has been said here and in the PMDG forum. It is also notable, that in the official PMDG forum "Disappointment Posts" get locked very fast.

In their defense, since the get go, they made it clear and very hesitant to upgrade and update 777 for V5.Besides it took almost a year. I can't comment and this is  just speculation on my part. They claimed endless hours were spent, which is possibly true but I believe along with this update they are making it for other platform as well, were they expect more income, which makes sense. So as a Business, they counted on those with V5 and revenue they could make of it. Truth is that nothing on the market as a Long Haul airliner doesn't exist with this depth and it is arguably best ACFT IMHO.To be honest if not because this update I would continue only with FSL, but since I fly for VA that requires this ACFT I am happy. With exception of EFB I don't see any other improvement. But yes, I am sucker and spent $78 for one more toy.

One way or another they have to think and make best strategy and business decision and many factors that we don't know. Their product is good and until someone makes better I will be their customer. I can't compare with "others'' that sell "unfinished" product. Not saying that others are bad but they don't provide same as PMDG. Of course, only one that is superb IMHO is FSL, but again, 320 is short haul and my choice over NGXu. Can't even imagine quality if FSL announce long haul ACFT.

 

Edited February 28, 2021 by cyyzrwy24

[SierraDelta 1,342]

59 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

FSL charged to upgrade their bus to a 64 bit version at this time

Sure about that? I just checked my emails and I got the FSL A320+X P3Dv3 to P3Dv4 upgrade for free in Oct. 2017. Also worth noting that I got a 100$ discount on the P3Dv3 version since I already owned the FSX version.