13 minutes ago, ComSimPilot said:

So you make an assumption out of nowhere and request a link saying otherwise. How you know that it "certainly won't be for free" ? I could also ask for a link to believe you. 

I don't know how to respond to such a ridiculous statement; I'll endeavor to try though.  First, it was a genuine question; I was curious if PMDG has altered thier strategy.  The response you quoted was directly refuting a statement explicitly implying a model update would be free.  How is suggesting/assuming it would free any different than suggesting the opposite?  How come you failed to take offense to the former?  How do I know it won't be free?  How about 20+ years of strategy to make an informed opinion?  Pray tel, when has PMDG released a new visual model for free?

737 NGXu = nope

747 QoS III = nope

747-800 = nope

64-bit 737 = nope

64-bit 747 = nope

64-bit 777 = nope

777 ER expansion = nope

It seems pretty logical to SUSPECT [the literal word I used...perhaps you're not a native English speaker] a new visual model will cost, doesn't it? 

Edited February 27, 20215 yr by kingm56

I redownloaded the updated base package file, as suggested by rsrandazzon on the PMDG forum to solve the activation issues. After installing it, the airplane has been working, but each time I select the airplane and load the scenery, I get a warning that says "Cannot get product version data - string not found". Does anyone else have this issue?  I tried to uninstall and reinstall once again to no avail.

Quite disappointed that they can't get things right when it comes to installation and activation.

Is anyone having a problem with the 777-200 LR bouncing all over the place? I took off and the plane will not stabilize. I turned off Active Sky weather and this issue continues. I can’t fly in a straight line.

It was my controller. I was using the Thrustmaster Airbus controller, which I calibrated after my first flight. I think I broke my calibration.

Cheers, Pete

Edited February 27, 20215 yr by PilotPete99
Figured Out Issue

22 minutes ago, kingm56 said:

The visual model will be upgraded as part to the MSFS port; it certainly won't be free.  I suspect it will mimic thier 737 NGXu pricing strategy, which costs a $100 with a $50 upgrade path when released for MSFS.   If I'm wrong, I'd appreciate a link.

Concerning cost, I was not exclusively referring to the 777; that aircraft  cost $200+ fully upgraded; the 747 is near $300 with all it's components.  Again, this represents a substantial shift in costs, which far exceeds inflation cost, as it applies to software.

Your notion concerning the complexity of the aircraft is only compelling if you view it in a vacuum.  I agree todays planes are far more complicated; however, so are the IDE and SDK, which negates the argument.  To illustrate this notion, a AAA game today cost as much as it did a decade ago; consider MSFS...the base cost is the same today as when FSX was released 15 years ago ($59.99). Surely we can agree the former is far more complex than the latter.  There is no defense for a 200 to 300% price escalation; the fact  you're attempting to do so highlights PMDG's marking prowess...I congratulate them for thier business acumen.      

Again, the visual model has already been upgraded by rebuilding the external one. The virtual cockpit update is underway and will update this 777 product line. I don't know whether they will use the work to help with a potential new 777 product for MSFS, but users of the current 777 for P3D will be getting the virtual cockpit update for their/this version.

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/106177-10feb21-pmdg-777-200er-status-and-release-progress-update

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/101404-09jan21-777-200lr-f-and-777-300er-update-and-777-200er-beta-news

You didn't quite understand my previous post. I'm not attempting to defend the rate of increase. In fact, I specifically said I'm not getting into the rate of increase here at all. I made a point about the general principle of more complex products developed with (more or less) the same resources leading to higher prices per unit, whatever that higher price may amount to at the end. SDKs become more robust as well, but that doesn't negate the argument because we are still looking at the same small development teams (from what I can see) that are producing more output with higher costs and a more advanced SDK doesn't cover all of the additional costs. AAA studios are a completely different ballpark than an 8-man-team which may not even be working full time on this. These studios have way more means to dampen the effect on the ultimate price per unit and make up for it through different avenues.

8 minutes ago, threegreen said:

Again, the visual model has already been upgraded by rebuilding the external one. The virtual cockpit update is underway and will update this 777 product line. I don't know whether they will use the work to help with a potential new 777 product for MSFS, but users of the current 777 for P3D will be getting the virtual cockpit update for their/this version.

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/106177-10feb21-pmdg-777-200er-status-and-release-progress-update

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/101404-09jan21-777-200lr-f-and-777-300er-update-and-777-200er-beta-news

You didn't quite understand my previous post. I'm not attempting to defend the rate of increase. In fact, I specifically said I'm not getting into the rate of increase here at all. I made a point about the general principle of more complex products developed with (more or less) the same resources leading to higher prices per unit, whatever that higher price may amount to at the end. SDKs become more robust as well, but that doesn't negate the argument because we are still looking at the same small development teams (from what I can see) that are producing more output with higher costs and a more advanced SDK doesn't cover all of the additional costs. AAA studios are a completely different ballpark than an 8-man-team which may not even be working full time on this. These studios have way more means to dampen the effect on the ultimate price per unit and make up for it through different avenues.

Good discussion, Threegreen! I think I understand your point, sir; however, PBR upgrades are slightly different than a full model update.  I was well aware of the former; it's MSFS "full cockpit overhaul" (first link) that I was referring too. That update will certainly cost consumers more money; again, I suspect a similar paradigm to the 737 NGXu. I appreciate everything you said, my friend; however, it seems like you're echoing PDMGs rationale for the price increases, which do not necessarily mean they're accurate :).  Still, I very much enjoyed the exchange and thank you for taking the time to post the links!     

Edited February 27, 20215 yr by kingm56

22 minutes ago, PilotPete99 said:

Is anyone having a problem with the 777-200 LR bouncing all over the place? I took off and the plane will not stabilize. I turned off Active Sky weather and this issue continues. I can’t fly in a straight line.

It was my controller. I was using the Thrustmaster Airbus controller, which I calibrated after my first flight. I think I broke my calibration.

Cheers, Pete

I use a Honeycomb Alpha yoke and yes, the pitch axis is extremely twitchy.  I don't know if it's because I've been flying the Maddog and am not use to the FBW feel.

24 minutes ago, PATCO LCH said:

I use a Honeycomb Alpha yoke and yes, the pitch axis is extremely twitchy.  I don't know if it's because I've been flying the Maddog and am not use to the FBW feel.

2 flights today 

1. eham to tncb  -   vnav didnt work, all over the place,  put the speed brakes out, the descent went nuts,  on landing braking was way too sensitive and way to harsh. 

2. tncb - tnca -  very light,  climbed at 7000 vs  and all over the place in the climb.  However the VNAV on descent was a bit better. 

not to mention the engine spin effect.

how they managed to charge 70 bucks for an unfinished product i dont know.  Ive always thought PMDG where a good bunch until this.  

but then when everyone else does the same gig of realeasing unfinished products and we fall for it everytime, so why not join in the same parade.

I cant help but feel the whole last 2 weeks of "hype" from PMDG has just been a bit of theatre to drum up sales.  Hes far from stupid Captain Raz, he knows how to make a buck and hes pulled one on us  here (in my opinion)

Edited February 27, 20215 yr by fluffyflops

Parallel 42 Announces 777 Immersion v2, End of the Line for v1

 

777 Immersion v1 was released on December 17th 2014 and has received numerous updates since the product was first released as PMDG also updated their aircraft. However, that support will now end as the team prepare to release a brand new version of the immersion pack. As detailed in their blog post, this means that 777 Immersion v1 will not function with the newly released PMDG 777 update (nor the expansion packs), nor will there be any further development support or product support. However, if you still use the older version of the 777 from PMDG, then the Immersion pack will continue to work. 

1 hour ago, kingm56 said:

The response you quoted was directly refuting a statement explicitly implying a model update would be free.  How is suggesting/assuming it would free any different than suggesting the opposite?

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding who you are referring to here, but I never implied or made any assumption about whether the VC update would be free or not. His statement isn't ridiculous because you keep making the claim the VC rebuild will have a fee and is for a new MSFS version of the aircraft while the posts I've linked show the opposite.

 

1 hour ago, kingm56 said:

737 NGXu = nope

[...]

777 ER expansion = nope

It seems pretty logical to SUSPECT [the literal word I used...perhaps you're not a native English speaker] a new visual model will cost, doesn't it?

What you are listing here are completely new aircraft and as such came with a new VC model. That's entirely different however from what we are talking about, which is a VC replacement for the current 777 and not for a new product.

 

43 minutes ago, kingm56 said:

Good discussion, Threegreen! I think I understand your point, sir; however, PBR upgrades are slightly different than a full model update.  I was well aware of the former; it's MSFS "full cockpit overhaul" (first link) that I was referring too. That update will certainly cost consumers more money; again, I suspect a similar paradigm to the 737 NGXu. I appreciate everything you said, my friend; however, it seems like you're echoing PDMGs rationale for the price increases, which do not necessarily mean they're accurate :).  Still, I very much enjoyed the exchange and thank you for taking the time to post the links!     

Nothing in that first post (first link) is even referring to MSFS...

Edited February 27, 20215 yr by threegreen

2 minutes ago, threegreen said:

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding who you are referring to here, but I never implied or made any assumption about whether the VC update would be free or not. His statement isn't ridiculous because you keep making the claim the VC rebuild will have a fee and is for a new MSFS version of the aircraft while the posts I've linked show the opposite.

No it does not; it only says they're anxious to show us the full upgraded cockpit.  It does not say it will be a free upgrade.  Why do you believe it will be?  If they provided a free VC upgrade, what would compel consumers to buy a new 777?  This is really very simple.  

Also, I'm having a difficult time understanding you; in this post you implicitly imply the upgraded VC will be free.  How else can you irrupted: "keep making the claim the VC rebuild will have a fee and is for a new MSFS version of the aircraft while the posts I've linked show the opposite."  Yet, now you're saying it won't be?  

51 minutes ago, PATCO LCH said:

I use a Honeycomb Alpha yoke and yes, the pitch axis is extremely twitchy.  I don't know if it's because I've been flying the Maddog and am not use to the FBW feel.

After I recalibrated the controller everything works fine. It is more sensitive than the NGXu but feels pretty good now.

Cheers, Pete

3 hours ago, threegreen said:

Flight model and FBW have been overhauled significantly to the point at which you can actually feel it flying differently/more realistically.

I’m just upgraded and flew a flight I do all the time in the 777. I have to say I really didn’t notice anything different with the flight model or anything else.  Maybe this is due to the difference between P3D v4 and v5 so not a good comparison. 

3 minutes ago, MarkW said:

I’m just upgraded and flew a flight I do all the time in the 777. I have to say I really didn’t notice anything different with the flight model or anything else.  Maybe this is due to the difference between P3D v4 and v5 so not a good comparison. 

Not sure, I based what I said on reports from others and what the announcement said; I have yet to try it out myself.

Not sure if this was answered anywhere... can existing liveries be used with the PBR models of the update? Or will all liveries need to be updated to work?

11 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I wonder how many people who refuse to pay $70 for a top study level expansion of a top study level aircraft do not even hesitate when paying $1500 for a top level graphics card? I know which one I think is the rip off.

I get what you are saying, but...

Without that (rip off) $1500 graphics card you probably cannot fly your 777 or anything else on P3D. Mind you, much the same applies to all platforms lately. What concerns me is not really the value for money involved here, it is simply the price difference between other good quality aircraft prices in P3D and the prices involved in the other platforms.

I concede that very little approaches PMDG quality and in MSFS, nothing really comes close. However, I think that the dearest add-on aircraft for MSFS is about $35 and all the sceneries in MSFS are so very much cheaper and mostly better quality than the P3D releases.  Hence my previous comment about many people simply avoiding P3D (and Xplane) because of the pricing. 

I also have to admit, that I do not own any PMDG products because they are simply out of my price range (sort of limits me to Carenado quality add-ons) I look at PMDG and just drool, but I still think they are expensive.

Another admission is that I am never going to be driven from P3D or XPlane due to pricing. I fly all three platforms on an almost daily basis (an advantage to being an aged Pensioner) and enjoy each of them tremendously for very different reasons.   I do dream of P3D and XPlane eventually coming to grips with world scenery of the same standard as MSFS, and, that, would make me leave MSFS forever LOL

Finally, has anyone noticed that Aerobask is previewing a Phenom 300 for XPlane, and, back on topic, I would buy that regardless of price, which sort of negates ALL of the above.

For those who can afford PMDG, I envy you, because there is no suggestion of buying a bad product.  Enjoy them to the max. (No, not a Boeing LOL)

Tony