I think people just like arguing, because they have nothing better to do, but what do I know. 

3 minutes ago, Alpine Scenery said:

I think people just like arguing, because they have nothing better to do, but what do I know. 

Well I am flying a Madurai-Cochin flight right now after having cleaned a fountain in my garden. Smartphones, tablets, you know, are great tools for multitasking. And nothing like shooting the breeze and arguing with friends doing that 🤣.

2 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

Well I am flying a Madurai-Cochin flight right now after having cleaned a fountain in my garden. Smartphones, tablets, you know, are great tools for multitasking. And nothing like shooting the breeze and arguing with friends doing that 🤣.

I also made a couple of IFR flights today, from time to time I take a break from the VR headset and look at the forum.

I can have a relationship of love and hate with FS but I can't help playing it even when it's out of shape and stutters and stumbles 🙂

16 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said:

And yes, being minor things I expect them to be patched in a short time. if you have a 5 minutes task at work do you delay it for months just because there are more important things to do?

Wow you really don't know how massive software development work? You can't underestimate these issues with a complex software, you think "oh is just 5min work', no my friend, there could be dependencies that could break other stuff. Not only that, bugs like this, would have lower priority because really, you think is 5 min, yeah sure troubleshooting, debugging, committing, QAing.

With these statements you make, I feel you are insulting software developers like myself, thinking you have privilege to have your bugs "fixed now". These engineers are human and all working from home due to COVID (like myself) and it is challenging, communication has been difficult, zoom always annoying, planning sprints also became annoying in comparison to in person meeting, not only that, it has became even depressing for many of and motivation down to bottom due to lack of social contacts. If you think you deserve privilege to have your bugs fixed in 5min, seriously, just don't use MSFS or any other software. Go to flying school, it is bug free.

 

Edited March 26, 20215 yr by omarsmak30

2 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said:

I also made a couple of IFR flights today, from time to time I take a break from the VR headset and look at the forum.

I can have a relationship of love and hate with FS but I can't help playing it even when it's out of shape and stutters and stumbles 🙂

I tried a VR headset about 6 months ago. I couldn't wait to get that thing off my head. Can't imagine taking a long flight with it. 

2 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

Wow you really don't know how massive software development work? You can't underestimate these issues with a complex software, you think "oh is just 5min work', no my friend, there could be dependencies that could break other stuff. Not only that, bugs like this, would have lower priority because really, you think is 5 min, yeah sure troubleshooting, debugging, committing, QAing.

I don't mean to insult anyone, just reasoning. How can a repack of the files break things? 

As for the fps counter, I don't see how it could have dependencies and break anything but I am not an expert.

Your observation is interesting anyway, because earlier in the thread there were people convinced that there are no dependencies and therefore world updates and superficial stuff could not affect the bugginess of the sim in any way, nor subtract time to the improvement of the core functions.

7 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said:

Your observation is interesting anyway, because earlier in the thread there were people convinced that there are no dependencies and therefore world updates and superficial stuff could not affect the bugginess of the sim in any way, nor subtract time to the improvement of the core functions.

Are they working in Asobo? No they are not. This thread full of assumptions and theories with no facts and thus nobody knows.

Edited March 26, 20215 yr by omarsmak30

23 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said:

One line to call me a paranoid and absolutely nothing on the arguments and the video I posted. The lack of comments on the September video alone speaks for itself.

What about the fact that they didn't repack the installation files after the updates? This and the fps counter bug require a few minutes to be done but they can't bother. 

And yes, being minor things I expect them to be patched in a short time. if you have a 5 minutes task at work do you delay it for months just because there are more important things to do?

Watching the video is a waste of time because as far as I'm concerned my sim looks the same as it did when it was released. I might get a pop in here and there but nothing that takes away from the experience. Same for lod. It's still at 100 and I don't care about seeing trees 100 miles away. The problem is you guys are looking too hard instead of enjoying the sim. Like I said this sim is not for you. P3d or xplane would serve you better 

13 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said:

I don't mean to insult anyone, just reasoning. How can a repack of the files break things? 

As for the fps counter, I don't see how it could have dependencies and break anything but I am not an expert.

Your observation is interesting anyway, because earlier in the thread there were people convinced that there are no dependencies and therefore world updates and superficial stuff could not affect the bugginess of the sim in any way, nor subtract time to the improvement of the core functions.

You are making things up. Nobody claimed that. People tried to explain that scenery developers would probably be of no help with core bug fixing. But that's a very different point and was directed at those who said that Asobo should stop the scenery stuff because that would somehow accelerate the bug fixing. Nobody EVER (at least not in this thread) said that there were no dependencies.

Your sentence "but I am not an expert" sums it up very nicely, because you still have only wild assumptions regarding the fps counter somehow being proof for something.

Edited March 26, 20215 yr by crimplene

“The best way to predict the future is to look at the past...”

And the MSFS past hasn’t been that great up to today 🧐

1 hour ago, omarsmak30 said:

With these statements you make, I feel you are insulting software developers like myself, thinking you have privilege to have your bugs "fixed now". These engineers are human and all working from home due to COVID (like myself) and it is challenging

I cannot fully see your point, because the issues are being introduced after a working code base. The files to fix some of the terrain issues for example, it took 15 minutes for someone that had no developer experience in MSFS to get those into a VFS format from a backup. Took Asobo a month or longer to patch it, they should have had a hotfix that day. I think he may have even offered Asobo the fix and it was ignored.

That said, I'm not complaining about any of this, I am just stating the obvious. Yes, the performance bug is a little trickier, I can give them a pass on that one. However, some things were / are a bit silly.  It's just a culmination of the number of times they add bugs that is easy to fix, and then do not bother fixing it for 1+ months (or at least several weeks).

Besides, it's not that hard to run a code compare when you only made minor mods, you know generally what was changed.

It's bureaucracy more than anything. 

Edited March 26, 20215 yr by Alpine Scenery

58 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said:

I am not an expert.

yea,that ^^

We all want MSFS be the number one sim as it it has been promoted.

We all want to enjoy it and want it to be supported for 10 years.

But left or right : things aren’t going the way we hoped for. 

To me, just speaking for myself, it looks like they wanted to do everything, but may end up not succeeding in doing all that much.

First a solid base

Then build upon that solid base

Like building a skyscraper where they are putting floor after floor on eachother but have not finished the foundation.

Everyone at Asobo is a nice person but that doesn’t make a good product....

 

10 minutes ago, Alpine Scenery said:

I cannot fully see your point, because the issues are being introduced after a working code base. The files to fix some of the terrain issues for example, it took 15 minutes for someone that had no developer experience in MSFS to get those into a VFS format from a backup. Took Asobo a month or longer to patch it, they should have had a hotfix that day. I think he may have even offered Asobo the fix and it was ignored.

That said, I'm not complaining about any of this, I am just stating the obvious. Yes, the performance bug is a little trickier, I can give them a pass on that one. However, some things were / are a bit silly.  It's just a culmination of the number of times they add bugs that is easy to fix, and then do not bother fixing it for 1+ months (or at least several weeks).

Besides, it's not that hard to run a code compare when you only made minor mods, you know generally what was changed.

It's bureaucracy more than anything. 

It takes more to fix bugs when it has the possibility to break other things in the sim. Saying someone with no coding experience fixed a problem in 15 minutes is complete bs because whoever that person is that's fiddling with code, won't know if his changes will break something else. It's the same as when people put stuff in the community folder that conflicts with something else, then they make threads saying the sim is bugged until we find out they changed something which broke whatever they are complaining about 

4 minutes ago, GSalden said:

We all want MSFS be the number one sim as it it has been promoted.

We all want to enjoy it and want it to be supported for 10 years.

But left or right : things aren’t going the way we hoped for. 

To me, just speaking for myself, it looks like they wanted to do everything, but may end up not succeeding in doing all that much.

First a solid base

Then build upon that solid base

Like building a skyscraper where they are putting floor after floor on eachother but have not finished the foundation.

Everyone at Asobo is a nice person but that doesn’t make a good product....

 

P3d will still be around to run your home cockpit. The game been out for 7 months and people are predicting its doom lol. Were you able to run your home sim with fsx or p3d on day one or 7 months after development?