31 minutes ago, Doering said:

Yes, it is a simulator with incredible scenery!

And that's just about it. Hollow beauty.

24 minutes ago, Adrian123 said:

And that's just about it. Hollow beauty.

Gee, when I got my pilots license and really enjoyed just flying around and looking at things, all I was looking at was "hollow beauty">   how disappointing .

42 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Gee, when I got my pilots license and really enjoyed just flying around and looking at things, all I was looking at was "hollow beauty">   how disappointing .

Did you ever fly to a destination for a purpose other than reveling at the view?  Ever needed to fly in current conditions regardless of whether they were tee-ball?  Did you never engage ATC or need to grab the current ATIS?  Did you ever after gaining an instrument rating find your planned VFR flight had turned IFR and needed to follow an instrument approach that is not present in the sim database?  

in those cases, Hollow beauty is just that. Hollow.

Let me be clear.  Just flying around and looking at things in this game is fantastic......  But then when conditions require realism....  Different story.....

Edited March 24, 20215 yr by fppilot

I really don't think the earliest pioneers of flight would be welcome on these forums by some.  They just want to fly...what a concept.

This frames issue isnt hitting everyone to the same degree.  Its an error on their part and Im sure they'll fix it.

What helped me was lowering my LOD sliders.  I have seen the menus acting groggy a time or two but that cleared up.

I just cant get over that most people with problems seem to have 3090 or at least 2080 RTX cards.  My 1070 inexplicably is doing fairly well.  maybe it has something to do with too much video memory in relation to system memory??  i have no idea.

I wish you all the best - hope they fix it soon.

15 hours ago, MrFuzzy said:

It's difficult to justify Asobo wasting their time with contrails, FSX liveries and world updates when basic stuff still isn't working 7 months after the release.

People need to stop looking at the updates like this.

Asobo isn't a small team like Laminar - they'll have different people with different skillsets, specializing on different things.  The sound people aren't going to move over to fixing flight model bugs, nor are the people fixing bugs with the autopilot making contrails, nor are the Xbox port team working on the world updates.

If your team working on the world updates with Bing are finished with their content, they aren't going to hold that back because there's other "more important" things that need fixing.  Nor does the existence of "more important" things suddenly give Asobo's artists the ability to work on flight dynamics.

I'm sure there's SOME amount of people wearing different hats depending on what needs to be done, but not like a small studio where wearing different hats is an imperative.

7 hours ago, badgenes said:

Meanwhile the rest of the world either enjoys it or abandons it while the "hardcore" crowd fills forums with posts decrying this or that failing.  TBH I'm fairly certain that ANY extreme voice is filtered out and the issues reported the most as bugs (with the least dramatic of reports) get the majority of the attention.  AVSIM is as always entertaining and informative, in that order.  

Asking for a working autopilot after 7 months is now "extreme" and "hardcore"? 

7 hours ago, kaosfere said:

Just because one is not seeing progress where one would like does not necessarily mean the really important things are being ignored.  It could just mean that, at the moment, one is not nearly as important in the grand scheme as one would like to think one is.   Or that one is impatient.  Either is indicative of one perhaps needing a perspective adjustment.

Asobo will be grateful for such indulgence. I will try to adjust my hardcore and too demanding approach and limit my gaming experience to admiring the Eiffel tower with the drone after the next update. Hopefully said landmark won't fall in a 2 fps area. 

10 hours ago, hansb57 said:

I find it odd that users want study planes and the ultimate realism. But they want that for planes that they never could fly IRL.

If you want realism go with the single prop planes and "demand" that they are tweaked to the max.

 

 

It is partly an elitist thing and partly epeen.  People seem to get a warm fuzzy feeling out of being assured by developers and "real pilots" it "flies just like a real one" even though they will never likely to be at the controls of a "real one" to compare.

I suppose it also means down the pub you can make your rather nerdy hobby appear at least somewhat interesting " I flew into Hamburg in a 787 , even the air traffic control was a real person, and all the controls and procedures are identical to landing a real one" sounds far more legit than "some programmer guy hacked up this super powerful bush plane that I flew upside down under the Brooklyn Bridge in a fake thunderstorm". 😄  

Edited March 24, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

18 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

Solution: turn off your fps counter, you'll be a much happier simmer.....

and if engine sound bothers you, go to the nearest radio or noise making device .... turn up the volume and then glue the volume knob and on/off switch in place, LOL

Tony

Just now, himmelhorse said:

and if engine sound bothers you, go to the nearest radio or noise making device .... turn up the volume and then glue the volume knob and on/off switch in place, LOL

Tony

make sure it goes to 11 .

18 hours ago, crimplene said:

Jumping to wrong conclusions on the other hand, does not help at all.

This is completely incorrect.  It can be a very worth while and invigorating exercise if carried out in a gym (under supervision) and for long enough. I believe a skipping rope is also beneficial and entertaining whilst doing the jumping

Tony

16 hours ago, MrFuzzy said:

one "Microsoft Flight"-like and the other "Flight Simulator"-like and they should be developed separately in order to make all the customers happy.

Sorry to cherry pick this out but, a solution like that, whilst it could be very desirable from both sides of that particular fence, is guaranteed to not please the fiscal pockets of MS or Asobo and if they cannot make a profit, we have a simulator going nowhere.  It is my belief that, combining the two ie "gamers and simmers .... how I hate those words) is probably the most practical in all aspects.  It has disadvantages to both parties too.

Tony

15 hours ago, Brandon01110 said:

thats not the solution sir.  I can tell its very choppy and stuttery.  Not using the fps counter tool does not make the sim smooth again. 

based on the many who like/agree with this solution can explain how this "solution" has made it so they no longer experience stutters. 

With so many people reacting in this way, I think I may have been on the wrong track when I picked up on the humour involved.  I apologise because I really thought that the solution ... turning off the FPS counter left the simmer word not allowed of what the FPS were and that would make him/her a happier simmer .... was very tongue in cheek and quite clever.

IN the end though, I do not think anyone has actually blamed the FPS counter for really poor performance and the good thing is that most of us believe that Asobo is on it and will fix it poste haste. We live in hope.

Tony

30 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

 

It is partly an elitist thing and partly epeen.  People seem to get a warm fuzzy feeling out of being assured by developers and "real pilots" it "flies just like a real one" even though they will never likely to be at the controls of a "real one" to compare.

I suppose it also means down the pub you can make your rather nerdy hobby appear at least somewhat interesting " I flew into Hamburg in a 787 , even the air traffic control was a real person, and all the controls and procedures are identical to landing a real one" sounds far more legit than "some programmer guy hacked up this super powerful bush plane that I flew upside down under the Brooklyn Bridge in a fake thunderstorm". 😄  

Please let's not try to degrade legitimate requests to a software development team to stupid nerdy elitism. No mentally healthy adult would delude himself of experimenting the real thing with a computer game.

I am not complaining about inoperative buttons or inaccurate flight dynamics (of which I have no clue by the way). What I (and other simmers) expect is simply a simulator working in its basic functions. Is that too much to ask?

And I reiterate: the concern is not about the fact that there are still bugs but the fact that there is no NET improvement throughout the development and the various patches.

MSFS is probably the only case in the software / game industry that gets worse patch after patch and this is a big concern. 

59 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

 

It is partly an elitist thing and partly epeen.  People seem to get a warm fuzzy feeling out of being assured by developers and "real pilots" it "flies just like a real one" even though they will never likely to be at the controls of a "real one" to compare.

I suppose it also means down the pub you can make your rather nerdy hobby appear at least somewhat interesting " I flew into Hamburg in a 787 , even the air traffic control was a real person, and all the controls and procedures are identical to landing a real one" sounds far more legit than "some programmer guy hacked up this super powerful bush plane that I flew upside down under the Brooklyn Bridge in a fake thunderstorm". 😄  

Give more credit to your fellow simmers Glen 😉. It is maybe not about bragging in the pub.

First, there is a gap between what MS allegedly wants MFS to be and what it was 7 months ago and what it is now. The early release against all common sense, the apparent reluctance to remedy to deficiencies (in facts if not in words), the difficulty to squash the bugs, new bugs, nerfing, the focus given to a console version to trigger new sales, they belong all to the same pattern. All this against the background of their mouthpiece telling us the contrary of what we see and experience.Let me quote here the title of a French movie  : Don’t take God’s children for wild ducks (Faut pas prendre les enfants du Bon Dieu pour des canards sauvages). It is certainly not user complacency that will help to straighten things out. 

Then what is wrong about being an elitist ? Is striving to be dumb a better attitude ?  This is a hobby where complexity and convincing realistic approximation are the core of the fun 🤨 (yes, with a moment a folly now and then 🥳 ) .

MFS is already a lot of fun. It could so much better. Should we wait in silence for a miracle. I don’t believe in miracle.

Edited March 24, 20215 yr by Dominique_K

46 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said:

MSFS is probably the only case in the software / game industry that gets worse patch after patch and this is a big concern. 

If by "gets worse" you mean they sometimes introduce other bugs or performance degradations that then need to be addressed... it really isn't that uncommon at all in game development.  I've seen games get updates that straight-up broke them and had to be rescinded post-hoc.

MSFS isn't worse overall than it was 7 months ago.  The things they've fixed and changed over the months HAVE introduced some other issues that weren't there 7 months ago.

They're also walking a performance tightrope that many other games don't have to walk, because flight simmers are famous for larding up their simulators with add-ons and bespoke customizations - things that the developer of the base product then has to at least attempt to account for.  Which then sometimes leads people here to complain that updates are breaking their add-ons, lol.

Edited March 24, 20215 yr by Scottoest