Just now, CarlosF said:

could be that you're trolling

Well - if you scroll back and see what I wrote in this thread I don´t think I even mentionend with one single word that I don´t like MSFS or that I think it is worse in any aspect than X-Plane (although I have said that before). The usual crowd jumped on my neutral comments and dragged this down into a "my sim is better than your sim" argument again...not my intention at all (this time).

However when you write stuff like:

28 minutes ago, CarlosF said:

4. The fact that Asobo listens to its customer base and takes time to inform its users of what they are working on and what the future holds for the sim, something LR never does. 

it shows that you are just not knowledgable enough to talk about this subject.

12 minutes ago, Janov said:

it shows that you are just not knowledgable enough to talk about this subject.

Of course I'm not knowledgeable, that is precisely my point, I have no knowledge of anything regarding XP development road map, zero zilch nada, there is nothing anywhere.

Edited June 1, 20215 yr by CarlosF

Just now, CarlosF said:

Of course I'm not knowledgeable, that is precisely my point, I have no knowledge of anything regarding XP development road map, zero zilch nada, there is nothing anywhere.

Q.E.D.

2 minutes ago, Janov said:

Q.E.D

Sorry Janov, but you haven't prove anything!

Lets move on.

 

I didn't fly MSFS for about two months. But I am honestly surprised how much better some of the planes feel now.

I tested the Robin and C172 the last two days and they feel far less twitchy than they did before SU3 + 4.

MSFS always felt more realistic flying through actual vivid air than any other sim (yes, including XP), but it was lacking in some flight performance regards (inertia, landing behavior, twitchiness). That is almost gone now! Didn't think this day would come! 😄

It really feels authentic to fly those GA birds now - and at this point, there is no reason to go back to another sim regarding GA. Airliners are still another story. FBW is great, but can't compete with Toliss. Nevertheless, MSFS made me enjoy GA on a different level anyway. It's not "oh look, that's supposed to be that", it's actual "look, it's there!". 🙂

Edited June 1, 20215 yr by tweekz

2 hours ago, Janov said:

The usual crowd jumped on my neutral comments and dragged this down into a "my sim is better than your sim" argument again...not my intention at all (this time).

But also…

2 hours ago, Janov said:

Hehe, I just love it when an MSFS user confirms all my prejudice about MSFS users 😆

 

2 hours ago, CarlosF said:

Sorry Janov, but you haven't prove anything!

Lets move on.

 

Don’t get too riled up by Janov.  He’s only here to confirm everyone’s prejudice of the typical X-plane user… 

I'm trying to figure out what we will talk about (in the very near future) when there is just one flight sim in town.   😯

Cheers

bs

2 hours ago, bean_sprout said:

I'm trying to figure out what we will talk about (in the very near future) when there is just one flight sim in town.

Was that sarcasm?  Because there will never be just one flight sim in town.

And you wouldn't want there to be.  There will always be specialty sims of one sort or another.  The competition will keep the technology moving forward.

Hook

33 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Was that sarcasm?  Because there will never be just one flight sim in town.

And you wouldn't want there to be.  There will always be specialty sims of one sort or another.  The competition will keep the technology moving forward.

Hook

What’s possible is that if P3D and X-Plane don’t catch up to MSFS, their user base can drop and the sims become unprofitable for 3rd party devs and even unprofitable for Lockheed Martin and Laminar to invest further development on.  If Lockheed Martin and Laminar determine it’s no longer profitable to keep a large development team working on P3D and X-Plane, then P3D and X-Plane will become like FSX.  

That is, P3D and X-Plane will never go away, in the same way that FSX never went away, but they effectively become “maintenance sims” where if there is a critical problem, Lockheed Martin and Laminar will fix it but if there are no problems, there won’t be further development on it.

4 hours ago, LHookins said:

Was that sarcasm?  Because there will never be just one flight sim in town.

And you wouldn't want there to be.  There will always be specialty sims of one sort or another.  The competition will keep the technology moving forward.

Hook

It is a hopeless cause, my friend. They Know. Like in Revealed Truth. .

Edited June 2, 20215 yr by Dominique_K

56 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Was that sarcasm?  Because there will never be just one flight sim in town.

And you wouldn't want there to be.  There will always be specialty sims of one sort or another.  The competition will keep the technology moving forward.

Hook

I've seen so much great software forgotten like a bad meal over the years.  Wait for it.

Regards

bs

1 hour ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

It's very hard to keep new technologies "isolated" from other platforms.  This is good, competition drives innovation and keeps AVSIM thread count high

Indeed, MSFS entry is paying into X-Plane, for those who are not aware:

 

I am super excited to see the next gen XP as I really think, XP has a very good potential to become a next gen sim 😄.

I really hope XP12 delivers. I must say that it's rather funny and ironic for those XP users who claimed MSFS was just eye candy to be faced with the prospect of defending all the new eye candy that looks like may appear in X-Plane.

3 hours ago, LHookins said:

And you wouldn't want there to be.  There will always be specialty sims of one sort or another.  The competition will keep the technology moving forward.

Hook

Yes, there's always a possibility new sims might come up. There are a few amazing engines like Outerra or Unreal which could provide a base for a new sim, if an able company will take the challenge.

I've seen quite a number of flightsims to come and go over the last 30 years, although non besides the FSx/ESP/MSFS-based branch on the one hand and the XP-based on the other hand survived. These inluded promising approaches like Flight Unlimited I-III or AeroflyFS1-2. And these didn't fail because of poor technology or visuals or flight models but mismanagement of the makers.

Anyway, I agree to @LHookins. Not a friend of monoculture either.

Kind regards, Michael