28 minutes ago, BostonJeremy77 said:

The best solution IMHO is to add a non existent water rudder

This issue has already been addressed. In a post above Mark (Flysimware) said:

" Floats have been updated and you can now turn with no water rudder since the sim allows steer angle for the floats"

Hopefully this new feature will be sufficiently effective.

Al

so you use the ailerons to dip a float in water and use that drag to turn ?

54 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

so you use the ailerons to dip a float in water and use that drag to turn ?

The impression I got from Mark is you just have to use the rudder peddles -- I will look into this more later today when I talk with Mark and report back.

Al

As we established Slip and Skid Indicator should show  ball deflection similar to TC, ball still rolls to opposite direction "away from the turn"

3 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

As we established Slip and Skid Indicator should show  ball deflection similar to TC, ball still rolls to opposite direction "away from the turn"

Just to reiterate, the classical Slip and Skid indicator is a stand alone device that consists simply of a ball in a liquid filled curved tube. The ball responds to the basic laws of physics and indicates whether the a/c is in a slip, skid, or coordinated flight. By convention, the Slip and Skid indicator is typically included in the same housing as a Turn and Bank or Turn Coordinator, but certainly doesn't have to be.

I just tried the Widgeon again, and what I find is that if I lead with a bit of rudder in the direction of the turn, I am able to make standard rate turns while keeping the ball pretty much centered. If I lead the turn with the ailerons and let the ball move "way out away from the turn", then I have to unbank the a/c to get back to coordinated flight and "start the turn over".  Once the ball is "way out", just appying more rudder ("stepping on the ball") is not sufficient to return to coordinated flight. So the key to coordinated turns with this a/c seems to be to lead turns with a bit of rudder.

Al

 

32 minutes ago, ark said:

Just to reiterate, the classical Slip and Skid indicator is a stand alone device that consists simply of a ball in a liquid filled curved tube. The ball responds to the basic laws of physics and indicates whether the a/c is in a slip, skid, or coordinated flight. By convention, the Slip and Skid indicator is typically included in the same housing as a Turn and Bank or Turn Coordinator, but certainly doesn't have to be.

I just tried the Widgeon again, and what I find is that if I lead with a bit of rudder in the direction of the turn, I am able to make standard rate turns while keeping the ball pretty much centered. If I lead the turn with the ailerons and let the ball move "way out away from the turn", then I have to unbank the a/c to get back to coordinated flight and "start the turn over".  Once the ball is "way out", just appying more rudder ("stepping on the ball") is not sufficient to return to coordinated flight. So the key to coordinated turns with this a/c seems to be to lead turns with a bit of rudder.

Al

 

Ok here is an example. I'm turning/banking to the right. Where ball suppose to be? If I don't touch right rudder ball should be to the right of the center. I'm slipping airplane or flying uncoordinated. My action is to "step on the ball" - right rudder in our case. In contrast if I press too much right rudder I will skid airplane and the ball will move to the left of center. Right now if I bank Widgeon to the right without rudder the ball moves to the left of center. Meaning that airplane actually skidding . I don't think that it how it suppose to be 

9 hours ago, ark said:

The impression I got from Mark is you just have to use the rudder peddles -- I will look into this more later today when I talk with Mark and report back.

Al

Spoke with Mark, you do in fact just need to use the rudder peddles. You need to be moving through the water of course, and IMPORTANTLY, you must make sure the tail wheel lock is OFF.

Al

2 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

Ok here is an example. I'm turning/banking to the right. Where ball suppose to be? If I don't touch right rudder ball should be to the right of the center. I'm slipping airplane or flying uncoordinated. My action is to "step on the ball" - right rudder in our case. In contrast if I press too much right rudder I will skid airplane and the ball will move to the left of center. Right now if I bank Widgeon to the right without rudder the ball moves to the left of center. Meaning that airplane actually skidding . I don't think that it how it suppose to be 

sd_flyer,

You are correct! A typo had things backwards, and it has been corrected. Check it when the next Beta update comes out.

Thanks for the feedback,

Al

Edited June 15, 20214 yr by ark

Looking forward to see the new seats and seat belts....😃

Sample only on what is coming soon!

This 

Actually, that video reminded me to ask one question: why does the Widgeon have a GPS system? If I understand correctly, it does not have an autopilot, so the GPS system could only serve as a map. And a map is already available in MSFS.

I personally would love to have the option flying the Widgeon without the GPS unit, just with basic radios (COM, NAV, Transponder, ADF and maybe VOR). I enjoy the challenge of navigating an airplane in an old-fashioned way. A GPS map basically deprives me of that.

From my experience with other airplanes, switching off the GPS map is not an option if you fly on Vatsim, since usually the radio frequencies in the GPS unit are used to communicate, not those of the normal radios.

Thanks,

Peter

1 hour ago, qqwertzde said:

Actually, that video reminded me to ask one question: why does the Widgeon have a GPS system? If I understand correctly, it does not have an autopilot, so the GPS system could only serve as a map. And a map is already available in MSFS.

I personally would love to have the option flying the Widgeon without the GPS unit, just with basic radios (COM, NAV, Transponder, ADF and maybe VOR). I enjoy the challenge of navigating an airplane in an old-fashioned way. A GPS map basically deprives me of that.

From my experience with other airplanes, switching off the GPS map is not an option if you fly on Vatsim, since usually the radio frequencies in the GPS unit are used to communicate, not those of the normal radios.

Thanks,

Peter

Why not set the GPS unit to a page that doesn't show any map information ?

5 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

Why not set the GPS unit to a page that doesn't show any map information ?

You are right, that may be an option. Still, I think the cockpit would look better with just basic instruments. 

Peter

I like the GPS. So, I am happy that it has it. 

I picked this up over the weekend, after seeing all the love the developer has been putting into it since it's been made available as beta. Clearly it's not remaining as beta so no worries there.  So far flying it has been a real gas, and its quite a bit more forgiving and capable than I expected.  Looking forward to more from this developer!

Along that line maybe think about making a current-gen American Champion Scout Denali or Citabria Explorer in the future is all I ask.... there's a lingering void of earlier variants of these planes in FSX and beyond, waiting to be filled by a worthy successor.