All, how to we petition Aeroplane Heaven to release their Spitfire?  Apparently the mob got to them for daring to release another Spitfire in direct competition with FlyingIron's version.  Showing how mis-informed these people are Aeroplane Heaven's Spit is a totally different version that FliyingIron's.  AH needs to take a page from Just Flight is more directly releasing the same aircraft over and over.  All that's different is the engine, the cockpits are basically the same for going on three versions of the Arrow and no one is saying nothing.  I actually like the Turbo version so I'm not in the cancel crowd (nor would I ever be).  As long as the models are good who cares.  That being said this would not be the case with the to Spitfires we would have.  They are more different from each other that the Just Flight Arrows.  Not sure if AH is aware of the Just Flight offering but just the same I would love to have the two Spitfires in my hanger.  So again I'm looking for suggestions outside of emailing them randomly that we who want their work make it known not to back down from pressures of the uninformed mob. 

AH quoted as saying;

 

"We have made a decision not to release the Spitfire Mk1A for a short while.

This is our decision and ours alone to make. We will release when we want to and when we fell the product is ready.

This has nothing to do with "trolls"or negative comment. As we have stated, it is a timing issue.

For those who feel that we have wronged them in some way, think on that. Exactly how? Are you disadvantaged in some way? Have we taken any money?

The Spitfires will be here. Just not right now.

A little patience is all that is required.

Thanks and stay safe everyone"

 

Please state the area in which you need clarification of what is being said here by AH, Dillon.

LOL. Man,  avsim can be hilarious sometimes!

53 minutes ago, leprechaunlive said:

LOL. Man,  avsim can be hilarious sometimes!

You mean ridiculous or is that the same?

Edited June 12, 20214 yr by jbdbow1970

Petition? Nah. The only thing that is holding them back is… themselves.

Can we chip in and send them to self esteem training?

I'm perfectly happy with my FlyingIron Spitfire what's the difference between the two versions?

 

5 hours ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

AH quoted as saying;

 

"We have made a decision not to release the Spitfire Mk1A for a short while.

This is our decision and ours alone to make. We will release when we want to and when we fell the product is ready.

This has nothing to do with "trolls"or negative comment. As we have stated, it is a timing issue.

For those who feel that we have wronged them in some way, think on that. Exactly how? Are you disadvantaged in some way? Have we taken any money?

The Spitfires will be here. Just not right now.

A little patience is all that is required.

Thanks and stay safe everyone"

 

Please state the area in which you need clarification of what is being said here by AH, Dillon.

Didn't read the official quote until now, I guess 'Thanks For Sharing' is in order... 

Edited June 12, 20214 yr by Dillon

4 hours ago, eaim said:

I'm perfectly happy with my FlyingIron Spitfire what's the difference between the two versions?

The AH one is a Mark 1 Spitfire, the Flying Iron one is a Mark IX. So one is the variant which was first issued to the RAF as the Munich Crisis was occurring, the other is the one which began reaching RAF squadrons in late 1941 as a counter to the then-newly deployed Focke-Wulf 190A which the Luftwaffe were fielding. To understand all that and clarify it a bit more, it helps to know what all the other in-between variants improved upon...

The Mark 1 was the first version the RAF got and it was slow to arrive because it was built at the very small Supermarine works where much of the process involved a lot of skilled hand finishing to create the parts. There were a few Mark 1s built at Westland, but Supermarine built the vast majority of them. They only had 1,030 hp available from their Merlin engine, many had a gear retract mechanism which had to be hand-pumped (later upgraded to a powered hydraulic system), they had fabric covered ailerons which could balloon out at high airspeeds and make stick forces pretty fierce, they originally had fixed-pitch two bladed Watts or Aero Products wooden propellers, and they had a glycol-only cooling system. The sliding canopy on the Mark 1 was not bulged out like you see on later Spitfires, but it was modified to the blown canopy we are more familiar with seeing as production continued. Just prior to the Battle of Britain, most Mark 1 Spitfires were upgraded with three-bladed variable pitch propellers from either Rotol or deHavilland and they were joined by some Mark II variants on the front line. All the Mark I Spitfires were supposed to have eight Browning .303 machine guns in the wings, but owing to shortages, some were built with only four guns, however, by the time of the Battle of Britain, most of them had the additional guns added to take them up to full spec.

The Mark II was a refined and streamlined for mass production variant of the Mark 1 with an engine (Merlin XII) which had 145 more hp than the Merlin II engine found in the Mark 1 Spitfire, it also had a Coffman cartridge starter (like you see being used in the movie Flight of the Phoenix) which meant it could be cranked up without specialised ground equipment. The Mark 1's engine used a water and ethylene glycol mixture to cool it, unlike the Mark 1's engine which needed pure glycol. This was done because glycol was in short supply but the newer engine did also develop more power too. Some Mark IIs featured cannon armament, but it was problematic because the wings would flex under high G loads and jam the feed mechanism for the Hispano cannon (this was later fixed on subsequent Spitfire Marks). The addition of armour and other changes to the Mark II made it heavier than the Mark 1, which meant that although it was about 5-10 mph faster than the Mark 1 below 17,000 feet, above that altitude, the Mark 1 was a bit quicker than the Mark II, however, in most other respects the Mark II was a better combat aeroplane.

The Mark III Spitfire was an attempt to significantly improve the Spitfire's features, however, since it required a lot of testing before going into production because of all the changes, such as a retractable tailwheel and the capability to pressurise the cockpit, it never actually made it to combat Squadrons, however, many of its features did end up being incorporated on later Spitfire Marks (mainly the Mark V and Mark IX variants). The decision to not push forward quickly with the Mark III without having thoroughly tested it was also prompted by the fact that the Merlin XX which it was going to use, was instead prioritised for use on the Hurricane Mark II and the Boulton and Paul Defiant Mark II. Much of what was learned with developing the Mark III led to the Mark V variant. This of course leaves everyone wondering 'what happened to the Mark IV?'. The Mark IV was a purely experimental airframe which was used to test different cannon armament configurations. You can actually buy a flight sim Mark IV at Just Flight (made by Aeroplane Heaven) and it can be ported into MSFS if anyone really wants one:

This takes us to the Mark V, which had a Merlin XX rated at 1,440 hp, numerous strengthening improvements, a carburettor modification to stop the engine cutting out under negative G, and the ability to use an external slipper tank. The Mark V was a very good variant, but could only just about hold its own against the Focke-Wulf 190A, and so the British quickly decided to make an interim Spitfire version which would be able to do so. This they did by fitting a Merlin 66 onto a Mark V airframe. But, since the VI, VII and VIII designations for Spitfires had already been assigned to other Spitfire prototypes or photo-reconnaissance versions of the Spitfire, this interim Mark V with a beefier Merlin bolted onto its front end, was designated the Mark IX.

So, now you know all that stuff, here goes...

Thus the main differences from the Mark 1, are that the Mark IX has approximately 700 hp more than a Mark 1 and a slightly increased wing area, giving it a higher ceiling (not the LF variant, that has an improved roll rate owing to its clipped wings). The Mark IX is faster than the Mark 1 and also has a better climb rate, it also has a better roll rate owing to its metal ailerons and is easier on stick forces too because of that. All Mark IXs have a hydraulic gear retraction system, some early Mark 1s only have manual gear retraction. The Mark IX can use a drop tank, which significantly improves its range. The Mark IX replaces four of the eight .303 Browning machine guns with 20 mm Hispano cannons. The Mark IX has an improved undercarriage, raked forward an additional two degrees compared to the Mark 1 which improves stability on the ground by lengthening the wheelbase a little bit and lowering the centre of gravity ever so slightly. The Mark IX had some strengthening added to it to make it a bit more resistant to G forces in combat and able to withstand the additional power of the the Merlin 66's 1,720 hp as opposed to the 1030 hp of the early Merlin engines found on Mark 1s.

Last but definitely not least: The Mark IX was more consistent in its components and the ability to swap these around between aeroplanes and fit spares quickly than was the case with the Mark 1; this is because the original Mark 1s featured a lot of hand-fitted parts when they were made by Supermarine. This meant that whilst the original Mark 1s were very finely crafted compared to later Marks, it was also a bit of a nightmare to replace parts on them if they took battle damage, since most new parts would have to be skillfully adjusted and tweaked in order to fit properly whereas the mass production of the Castle Bromwich-built later Spitfires tended to mean that all the parts which were churned out were identical, so it was easy to get spare parts to fit.

Edited June 13, 20214 yr by Chock

9 hours ago, eaim said:

I'm perfectly happy with my FlyingIron Spitfire what's the difference between the two versions?

 

I have done tens of hours in the FI Spit and I like her too. So why go elsewhere ?

If a new Spit would come along I would look into the FI bird weak points to see if there is some improvement on the following : the effect of lowering flaps and gear on the lift and the auto-rich/auto-lean mechanism are still not satisfactory.

I discovered yesterday in an interesting thread over there that the brakes are also not working as they should.A minor thing but still we look for the authenticity touch when flying such an aircraft.

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/spitfire-manual-battery-switch-parking-brakes/388206/24

And, my pet peeve with warbirds,  I would look forward to some nav instruments of the usable sort 😉.

 

Edited June 13, 20214 yr by Dominique_K

6 hours ago, Chock said:

The AH one is a Mark 1 Spitfire, the Flying Iron one is a Mark IX. So one is the variant which was first issued to the RAF as the Munich Crisis was occurring, the other is the one which began reaching RAF squadrons in late 1941 as a counter to the then-newly deployed Focke-Wulf 190A which the Luftwaffe were fielding. To understand all that and clarify it a bit more, it helps to know what all the other in-between variants improved upon...

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Thanks for your massive reply Chock, your a credit to the flight sinking community.

15 hours ago, Dillon said:

All, how to we petition Aeroplane Heaven to release their Spitfire?  Apparently the mob got to them for daring to release another Spitfire in direct competition with FlyingIron's version.  Showing how mis-informed these people are Aeroplane Heaven's Spit is a totally different version that FliyingIron's.  AH needs to take a page from Just Flight is more directly releasing the same aircraft over and over.  All that's different is the engine, the cockpits are basically the same for going on three versions of the Arrow and no one is saying nothing.  I actually like the Turbo version so I'm not in the cancel crowd (nor would I ever be).  As long as the models are good who cares.  That being said this would not be the case with the to Spitfires we would have.  They are more different from each other that the Just Flight Arrows.  Not sure if AH is aware of the Just Flight offering but just the same I would love to have the two Spitfires in my hanger.  So again I'm looking for suggestions outside of emailing them randomly that we who want their work make it known not to back down from pressures of the uninformed mob. 

Really? Do you want to have unfinished model?

Quote

This is our decision and ours alone to make. We will release when we want to and when we fell the product is ready.  As we have stated, it is a timing issue.

If Dev says its not ready, means not ready, simply. Some codes are not added, maybe the flight model is not finished, skins are not finished maybe, no all animations etc. Do not believe the screenshots that something seems to be finished in fact, and it is not and can cause a lot of flustration if they decided for themselves that the model is not ready for release. AH still hasn't had the final patch for his DC-3/C-47 (P3Dv4/5, VC light is permanently on even in a day LOL for example after the last update) released over a year ago, so here it is time to give them time to polish their first MSFS model. Never push Dev to release unfinshed model, this may backfire for authors and the community (especially for the full price, I can understand possibly early acces with a big discount LOL) 🤪 .

Edited June 13, 20214 yr by YoYo

When the AH Spit comes out if it’s even on par with the updated FI I would fly the MK1 every time. From what I’ve seen, it’s wonderful. Day one buy for me.

 

Edited June 13, 20214 yr by Nyxx

10 hours ago, Chock said:

Just prior to the Battle of Britain, most Mark 1 Spitfires were upgraded with three-bladed variable pitch propellers from either Rotol or deHavilland and they were joined by some Mark II variants on the front line. All the Mark I Spitfires were supposed to have eight Browning .303 machine guns in the wings, but owing to shortages, some were built with only four guns, however, by the time of the Battle of Britain, most of them had the additional guns added to take them up to full spec.

 

Regarding the propeller change, Len Deighton states in "Fighter - the true story of the Battle of Britain", that DH sent crews over mostly free of charge, fitting one propeller, and supervising an in-house tech to do the next one, which speed up the migration considerably. 

Perhaps a release on July 10, to coincide with the beginning of the Battle of Britain.  If not then, perhaps September 15, which is the observed anniversary day.

Edited June 13, 20214 yr by stans