5 hours ago, ThrottleUp said:

a true Second Life World Simulator. 

Works for me. I'd love to see something like this. Not sure I'll still be around by the time this all comes true though.

Meantime, a couple of glasses of Bushmills will have to suffice, I guess. (half a century ago I might have had alternative suggestions, but that was then <grin>)

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Edited September 22, 20214 yr by turbomax
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and it gets even "worse". can't wait for another interior masterpiece, coming this weekend: Essendon

https://orbxdirect.com/product/ymen-msfs

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Edited September 22, 20214 yr by turbomax

On 9/20/2021 at 1:52 PM, mikegrr said:

I don't mean to slight anyone, but I never look inside airports and I'm not even sure how to do it. You may look one time, but some sceneries have so much detail inside the buildings, as seen in the screenshots, it's crazy. I guess in RL, you pull up to an airport, walk through the building and get into your plane. I've done that myself and it does add immersion, I guess.  You would probably never stop in the control tower however. Should we add cars to the sim so you can drive from your home😊?

Some of the screens look beautiful, but i don't think I need to pay for the extra work. I can understand if an enthusiast works on a complete project. That's his/her pleasure. I get it. 

I just don't see how it adds much value to a commercial  product.

I'm not even sure any add-on airports are worth the expense. The stock airports are fine after all they are for departure and arrival don't spend much time "enjoying" the airports.

Its an aspect of the market place that is for the most part a money grab.

 

1 minute ago, tpete61 said:

I'm not even sure any add-on airports are worth the expense. The stock airports are fine after all they are for departure and arrival don't spend much time "enjoying" the airports.

Its an aspect of the market place that is for the most part a money grab.

 

Except of course a lot of the nicest freeware now have Interiors as well.

I personally LOVE airport interiors....

Just kidding, I think they are a bit of a waste....Yes it looks nice but this is not an airport simulator.

To be honest, I think many airport scenery developers get a pass on really pushing the envelope, and that is very different to the way aeroplane add-on developers have their feet held to the fire by flight simmers when it comes to realism and innovation. Modelling the interiors of airports is nice of course, but I'd be more inclined to be impressed with a developer who modelled specific realism features on their scenery. I don't object to such nice modeling, but if that's the only thing which a scenery developer is pushing, rather than trying to make their scenery really reflect the operational aspects of the place in the real world, then they are not doing all they could do. I can knock up 3D models of buildings and slap textures on them myself if really I want to, it's not exactly rocket science; what I want to see, is stuff I can't easily do.

At Manchester (EGCC) where I work, there are a few issues specific to that airport which are a function of it being a very old layout which has developed over about eighty years or so. For example, with the airport crossing over two rivers - Sugar Brook and the Bollin - it attracts a lot of wildlife and this of course presents a hazard to aeroplane operations, perhaps most famously in recent years this incident. Not to mention the fact that it also has a run off reservoir to ensure the taxiways runways remain drained. The RVR equipment goes iffy sometimes because spiders make webs over its reflectors and it has to have them brushed off. There is the potential for an ILS signal deviation for 5L from the terrain drop over the Bollin Valley on finals in certain conditions, and the radar altimeter can also be affected by this too. Then you've got the fact that vehicles can get stuck on the perimeter track at the western end of the airport in busy periods because they can't use the taxiway to drive back along if there are lots of aeroplanes queuing for departure on 5L, so when its busy, airport vehicles are in very specific places. 

It'd be features such as this - if a developer could make these occur - which would make an add-on scenery of EGCC 'the PMDG of airport sceneries', not the fact that there is an accurate rendering of the soup, vending machine in the T2 bag hall.

Edited September 22, 20214 yr by Chock

4 minutes ago, Chock said:

It'd be features such as this - if a developer could make these occur - which would make an add-on scenery of EGCC 'the PMDG of airport sceneries', not the fact that there is an accurate rendering of the soup, vending machine in the T2 bag hall.

I sort of internally cringed when I read that. I automatically imagined complaints from livid people writing that the airport "Doesn't work".

Instantly followed by rants about incompetent Developers.....

3 hours ago, iFlySimX said:

I personally LOVE airport interiors....

Just kidding, I think they are a bit of a waste....Yes it looks nice but this is not an airport simulator.

But it could be, and that's what I like about MSFS.

If a developer takes time to create beautiful interiors, then that'll make me definitely want to take time to walk around and explore it in all it's glory.

I'm also solidly in the camp of loving the interiors, and ground detail in general in MSFS.  If I think back to the moments that stand out to me over the past year - the true moments of awe that define to me why I love the sim so much, quite a number of them were not in a cockpit.

Don't get me wrong.  I do love the flying and airmanship aspect.  Reading and watching instruction on the intricacies of the DC-6, learning how to properly fly an A320 (thanks 320 Sim Pilot!), etc. are all great and deeply satisfying endeavors.  I look forward to the continued improvements in fidelity that are detailed in the development roadmap as much as anyone else.  But if ALL MSFS was was an accurate systems sim with every Garmin detail correctly implemented, to me it would be "just another simulator".  Some deride it as "eye candy", but to me the simulated world is just as (if not more) important.  We invented aircraft to go places and to see the world from a unique vantage point.  This is a sim that allows you to experience both the how's and the why's of flight from your desk chair.

I've been a ton of places in the world as a result of my day job.  Many are amazing locales that I will most likely never visit again in the real world.  But strap on some VR googles and pop out the drone camera.. and I'm back again.  The sense of deja vu has been so intense that it has hit me on an emotional level at times.  Asobo's process of using aerial photography mixed with AI means that even they don't realize all of the detail they've recreated.  I virtually flew to a place in New Zealand where I worked on one of my projects and the worn dirt from our production's base camp was clearly visible.

Flight and aircraft simulation is still first and foremost and I dont dispute the focus on making that as good as it can be.  But I'd say to anyone who hasnt gotten out of their plane when they land and done a "walk about" with the drone camera... you're missing out on some experiences that can be truly awesome, and dare I say, transcendent.

Edited September 22, 20214 yr by VFXSimmer

6 hours ago, iFlySimX said:

Yes it looks nice but this is not an airport simulator.

just like it is not a road simulator, tree simulator, simcity simulator, weather simulator, and what have you "not simulator".

but all this together are the ingredients of a flight simulator.

"yes it looks nice but ... "  and is part of a modern flight simulator, something that was not possible before in other simulators.

Chock said: "sometimes because spiders make webs over its reflectors and it has to have them brushed off."

really? I am sure that will get fixed in SU6, or SU7, or SU8, or ....... 😀,

MSFS version2: now with spiders on reflectors! as real as it gets.

 

Edited September 22, 20214 yr by turbomax

Kudos to devs like TropicalSim and Drzewiecki Design for giving us the extra effort and attention to detail with airport interiors back in the FSX era.

Little paper doll 2d peds and all we've come a very long way...thank you!

FSX KDCA

MSFS KDCA

Edited September 22, 20214 yr by blueshark747

Why not!

 

On 9/20/2021 at 11:52 AM, mikegrr said:

Should we add cars to the sim so you can drive from your home😊?

I haven't read through the entire thread, so somebody may have mentioned this.

There are already car sims in MSFS. On flightsim.to I think.