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Why do developers work on the inside of airports?

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I don't mean to slight anyone, but I never look inside airports and I'm not even sure how to do it. You may look one time, but some sceneries have so much detail inside the buildings, as seen in the screenshots, it's crazy. I guess in RL, you pull up to an airport, walk through the building and get into your plane. I've done that myself and it does add immersion, I guess.  You would probably never stop in the control tower however. Should we add cars to the sim so you can drive from your home😊?

Some of the screens look beautiful, but i don't think I need to pay for the extra work. I can understand if an enthusiast works on a complete project. That's his/her pleasure. I get it. 

I just don't see how it adds much value to a commercial  product.

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I agree. Doesn't matter which sim (P3D, XP, MSFS) ... I just don't understand why interiors are included. It seems like a lot of programming/design for little return--other than bragging rights.

I have never looked inside in any of them, and I don't care to in the future, either. My main focus is flying aircraft, not sightseeing around the interior of buildings.

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3 minutes ago, mikegrr said:

Should we add cars to the sim so you can drive from your home😊?

I would like that 👍

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Attention to detail. It differentiates their work and probably helps sales. 

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Well a great deal of it (to me) is to add to the realism during gate operations.  I enjoy being able to sit in the cockpit doing a pre-flight and have something other than a flat wall or hollow building outside.  

But to each their own, I would question how you are paying for it though, I haven't seen anyone increase prices, just increase quality...  If anything, prices for airports have decreased while quality and detail has increased from my perspective.

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And it needs/takes more resources and that is just not necessary for me..

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21 minutes ago, mikegrr said:

I don't mean to slight anyone, but I never look inside airports and I'm not even sure how to do it. You may look one time, but some sceneries have so much detail inside the buildings, as seen in the screenshots, it's crazy. I guess in RL, you pull up to an airport, walk through the building and get into your plane. I've done that myself and it does add immersion, I guess.  You would probably never stop in the control tower however. Should we add cars to the sim so you can drive from your home😊?

Some of the screens look beautiful, but i don't think I need to pay for the extra work. I can understand if an enthusiast works on a complete project. That's his/her pleasure. I get it. 

I just don't see how it adds much value to a commercial  product.

It's an Xbox game?  Imagine dodging small arms fires or avoiding a dinosaur as a plane did in one of the Jurassic Park movies. Lol..  

At the rate tech is progressing, I'd be surprised if  Xbox won't be able to handle the extra programming load a decade from now.

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Why stop there? There's probably all kinds of superfluous stuff that doesn't need to be there.

Do we really need the sun?

I love interiors, because I like to simulate being at an airport doing plane spotting inside. And plus having interiors brings much more scenarios to the sim such as being able to make a close to real life cinematic using the sim and so much more. You're only limited by the imagination and creativity in your mind. Just because a certain few see no use for interiors, others do.

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why do developers work on the outside of airplanes when you can't see it during the flight anyway? lots of stuff we can get rid of. saves time, money, climate, frame rates, space on my hard disk - you name it.

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very nice.

The day we can walk around Airports in VR with our Avatars is the day I'll properly look at the Airport interiors.

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27 minutes ago, dobee51 said:

Why stop there? There's probably all kinds of superfluous stuff that doesn't need to be there.

Do we really need the sun?

Exactly.

Who decides the boundaries?

We love the birds and the zebras....

We wanna see moving cars and boats....

We like interiors in our planes.....

But airport interiors are across the line?

I'm kinda indifferent to them, but I certainly don't question them. I just assume somebody out there likes them, and to each their own.

 

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16 minutes ago, MarcG said:

The day we can walk around Airports in VR with our Avatars is the day I'll properly look at the Airport interiors.

I already thought about making a separate thread on this but it fits here. We now have splendid airports with interesting aprons, interiors, FBOs, and the like.

Wouldn't it be possible for a clever coder to make an addon to make me jump out of the (GA) plane and seemingly continue as our former friend Bob on the airport and enter the FBO? I don't mean modelling my bones when getting out, just a Ctrl+J for jumping out of the plane after shutting down and placing me besides the plane would be great.

The same for getting into the plane after a pre-flight-check with, say, Ctrl+Shift+J.

And similarly for a captain to leave a liner and get into the jetway to walk down from there.

I would even pay a bit of money for such an addon.

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6 minutes ago, pmb said:

I already thought about making a separate thread on this but it fits here. We now have splendid airports with interesting aprons, interiors, FBOs, and the like.

Wouldn't it be possible for a clever coder to make an addon to make me jump out of the (GA) plane and seemingly continue as our former friend Bob on the airport and enter the FBO? I don't mean modelling my bones when getting out, just a Ctrl+J for jumping out of the plane after shutting down and placing me besides the plane would be great.

The same for getting into the plane after a pre-flight-check with, say, Ctrl+Shift+J.

And similarly for a captain to leave a liner and get into the jetway to walk down from there.

I would even pay a bit of money for such an addon.

Kind regards, Michael

The much reviled MSFlight allowed you to walk around, and much time was spent with people out on the tarmac, just chatting......

I wrote a post at the time about the possible social aspect of this, especially if we were allowed to create physical avatars of ourselves.....

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1 hour ago, JRMurray said:

My main focus is flying aircraft, not sightseeing around the interior of buildings.

This is not meant as a specific reply to you personally, JRM, but I just wanted to use your comment as a basis for a response in general.

I absolutely respect this point of view, and I know there are many, possibly (but by no means certainly) the majority of, sim users who feel this way. But, for myself, I have absolutely no interest in mastering the complexities of flying any aircraft. What I mean by that is that I have an interest in aircraft, and I love the idea of flying around in a sim, but I wouldn't know a SID from a STAR if either of them came up and bit me on the ankle. And as to what most of those dials and buttons in the cockpit do . . .

I'm not belittling the idea of devoting all your energies to mastering one or two aircraft, and I can see the attraction of building a fully modelled 737 home cockpit and getting in to that level of detail. But for me, I just want to be able to get something like the Cub or a Baron off the ground satisfactorily, and if I can get it back down without bouncing so much the better.

You see for me, and I really don't think I'm the only one with this approach, the whole thing about MSFS is that we've finally got the beginnings of a real world sim, and it just happens that we can also fly around in it. The greater the level of detail available in the sim, the better it is as far as this goes. I have got hundreds of airports for this sim, and I probably spend as much time exploring down at ground level (and not just in airports, but around the scenery in general) with the drone cam as I do in the air in an aircraft.

Sometimes I like to focus on the flight and the aircraft, I mean let's face it, there's not many a finer sight than a Spitfire soaring through the sky, but equally sometimes I love to just pan around a beautifully rendered landscape full of luscious trees and other greenery, or maybe wander around inside a well-designed and implemented set of airport buildings.

This is the first flight sim where this has become possible, and I will happily buy ever more detailed scenery addons, but I'll never spend money on super-compex aircraft. Mind you, I did buy the DC-6 because I love the look of it, but to be honest, I hardly ever bother to fly it.

And if they ever introduce proper working road and rail traffic I'm up for that too. In fact, I'd love to see MSFS ultimately incorporating a Train SIm, Driving Sim, Farm Sim even. Hey, somebody comes up with a working ten-pin bowling alley addon-on I'll buy that too.

And I love the idea that while I'm down here 100 feet off the ground hanging over the side of my Grravel gawping at the rooftops, some of you guys are 40,000 feet above me pressing those buttons, chatting with ATC (I assume?) and doing all that piloty stuff. And if we want to do so, we can all do that together in multiplayer mode (not for me though, deeply anti-social as I am <grin>).

Enjoy whatever you do!

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