lol some people around here are so...i'll keep that to myself. I sometimes really feel ashamed reading through all these threads.

 

Edited December 5, 20214 yr by ThomseN_inc

11 hours ago, edpatino said:

Be prepared for another crazy year for this sim. They simply seem not to get the message.

That's why there will always be a second 'seasoned, long in the tooth' flight sim on my system...for this very reason.  Looking forward very much of course to where they push the boundaries, but I am now resigned to the fact that in order to do that...things will always be a work of progress, and china dishes get dropped to the floor...  So,   when that happens, back to the other two until the next MSFS update. That is for me, the way forward, and no longer will 'cross my fingers' with any new update.  I guess the larger picture that we should be thankful for, is this IS a continuing polishing and adding of new features.  Time for me to start really thinking like that...and be happy when something works, and be patient when something that did work now doesn't because they tried to improve, or add to the expanse of the MSFS sim world.

Cheers,

 

11 hours ago, Silicus said:

They seem to be in Panic Mode to crank out new stuff all the time. Get the base sim fixed, get stuff fixed that is already there, but not complete or buggy!

Hopefully they only release the six SU when fully tested. There is no rush, I wish they would take their time before releasing SUs.

A key point made is SU8 being a bug release only, no new stuff.  As others have said, the SU7 hotfix being tested now, should give us a nice sim for the holidays, then the bug fix SU8.  Cool times ahead with XPlane 12 also being released.

 

3 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

Oh no! So you are saying I have been flying arcade all this time and don't know about it? LOL  

 

 

yep sd_flyer, you have, I'm sorry to confirm 🙂

Well, there are many add-ons I didn't try. I use pretty much only the default aircraft, now the new ones that came with SU7, the PMDG dc-6, the Carenado Seminole ( my first add-on for MFS ), the FlyInside Bell 47 G.

I did try Rob's G36 mod, and I remember I liked it, but by that time there were some problems with ground handling that were meanwhile tamed by ASOBO using the throttling technique on x-wind components. I should probably give that one a new try...

This last batch of aircraft, the Porter, the Pitts S1A, and the props that make part of the Reno tittle are so so so bad, flight dynamics wise, so desperately arcade-feel.

I am critic about MFS, and I did get back to P3D and am actually enjoying the FSLabs and PMDG add-ons I had for it, but I am one of those who think that the biggest fault is the pressure imposed on ASOBO to release an unfinished product, and continue to comply with scheduled release dates without having the time to really fix what is accmulating, and I believe that once they ( ASOBO ) and probably some 3pds start having more time to fix bugs, add features, etc... MFS will enter a new stage, one I am really looking after.

I still hope their soaring incursion can make me use gliders in MFS. With it's 2nd to none scenery solution MFS really opens exceptional chaces for VFR flight trainning, and for instance using it for glider trainning is a very promising task. It would be great if just as P3D does they could export / talk GPS data with external apps without having to use additional "pipes".  Same for rotary wing, and they also mentioned a future revised physics for the propeller aircraft. All will, so I hope, come with time...

 

 

Edited December 5, 20214 yr by jcomm

16 minutes ago, jcomm said:

I am critic about MFS, and I did get back to P3D and am actually enjoying the FSLabs and PMDG add-ons I had for it,

The Uninstaller. I recall you're a notorious wanderer between different worlds.

Nothing wrong with that, better than people who judge without any own experience.

Kind regards, Michael

9 minutes ago, pmb said:

The Uninstaller. I recall you're a notorious wanderer between different worlds.

Nothing wrong with that, better than people who judge without any own experience.

Kind regards, Michael

It's a kind of simmer OCD Michael 🙂   I have to feel great about finding stuff wrong to actually justify my uninstall 🤣

Just imagine the day I experience a sim where I can't find anything wrong ???? What a disaster that would be 🙂

2 hours ago, jcomm said:

yep sd_flyer, you have, I'm sorry to confirm 🙂

Well, there are many add-ons I didn't try. I use pretty much only the default aircraft, now the new ones that came with SU7, the PMDG dc-6, the Carenado Seminole ( my first add-on for MFS ), the FlyInside Bell 47 G.

I did try Rob's G36 mod, and I remember I liked it, but by that time there were some problems with ground handling that were meanwhile tamed by ASOBO using the throttling technique on x-wind components. I should probably give that one a new try...

This last batch of aircraft, the Porter, the Pitts S1A, and the props that make part of the Reno tittle are so so so bad, flight dynamics wise, so desperately arcade-feel.

I am critic about MFS, and I did get back to P3D and am actually enjoying the FSLabs and PMDG add-ons I had for it, but I am one of those who think that the biggest fault is the pressure imposed on ASOBO to release an unfinished product, and continue to comply with scheduled release dates without having the time to really fix what is accmulating, and I believe that once they ( ASOBO ) and probably some 3pds start having more time to fix bugs, add features, etc... MFS will enter a new stage, one I am really looking after.

I still hope their soaring incursion can make me use gliders in MFS. With it's 2nd to none scenery solution MFS really opens exceptional chaces for VFR flight trainning, and for instance using it for glider trainning is a very promising task. It would be great if just as P3D does they could export / talk GPS data with external apps without having to use additional "pipes".  Same for rotary wing, and they also mentioned a future revised physics for the propeller aircraft. All will, so I hope, come with time...

 

 

So you compare sim with sim is that what drives your conclusion of “realism” comparison? I understand you real life experience bound by flying gliders that you flew sometime ago? 
 Yes no sim is perfect MSFS suffers from its own shortcoming, but definitely not “arcade”. Frankly I don’t even know what “arcade” feels I only fly in  MSFS and IRL LOL  So thing are not that bad as you describe. I also flew SNJ4 IRL just to know little about Reno Races. And no it’s not as bad as you described it.

Didn't they say the aeroplanes fly differently during use in the Reno expansion flights vs during free flight in the world? Because they have made each aeroplane's performance more on par with each other during Reno races, to level the playing field a bit more? So is there a stark difference in flight model/handling during races that could appear less realistic compared to if used for a regular flight within the main sim environment?

3 minutes ago, March Hare said:

Didn't they say the aeroplanes fly differently during use in the Reno expansion flights vs during free flight in the world? Because they have made each aeroplane's performance more on par with each other during Reno races, to level the playing field a bit more? So is there a stark difference in flight model/handling during races that could appear less realistic compared to if used for a regular flight within the main sim environment?

They are all experimental type rigged for specific type of racing. So unless some of us actually race there is no way of telling  how they fly IRL.

But you absolutely right there is no way of telling . I flew SNJ4 IRL, stalled, span it. The one of Reno Races reminds me one I flew although power setting are a bit different . 
 
My begets complain about Reno Races is about engine handling . For example old radial engines could be easily overstressed , but in Reno Races some may fly by the book while other push engine passed red arc. Which in turn creates not fair environment for races. But then again not everyone is hardcore sinner and want to have just fun!

8 hours ago, jcomm said:

After playing for a while a few races, I felt so disappointed with the overall feel, and specially after also peaking the tittle racers for normal flights just for the purpose of testing their "flying abilities"

In the races every aircraft performs the same within their category to keep it fair

But if you fly the aircraft out side of the reno races they all behave differently.

Edited December 5, 20214 yr by Tuskin38

1 minute ago, Tuskin38 said:

In the races every aircraft performs the same to keep it fair

But if you fly the aircraft out side of the reno races they all behave differently.

I thought so. Thanks for confirming.

8 hours ago, jcomm said:

pretty much everything I tried in MFS is pure ARCADE

According to some people on here that have flown 152 and 172s IRL, they disagree. 

Edited December 5, 20214 yr by Tuskin38

4 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

In the Multiplayer races every aircraft performs the same within their category to keep it fair

But if you fly the aircraft out side of the reno races in the Reno Racing time trials and outside of the Reno expansion, they all behave differently.

Fixed it for you.

Not sure the multiplayer Infront of races was needed, they're only multiplayer, there are no single player races.

Edited December 5, 20214 yr by Tuskin38

1 hour ago, sd_flyer said:

So you compare sim with sim is that what drives your conclusion of “realism” comparison? I understand you real life experience bound by flying gliders that you flew sometime ago? 
 Yes no sim is perfect MSFS suffers from its own shortcoming, but definitely not “arcade”. Frankly I don’t even know what “arcade” feels I only fly in  MSFS and IRL LOL  So thing are not that bad as you describe. I also flew SNJ4 IRL just to know little about Reno Races. And no it’s not as bad as you described it.

I keep flying IRL, gliders yes 🙂 for 41 yrs now... About to add TMG to it on a Dimona...