I don't intend to get drawn into the CCM vs SWS debate, but because not everyone here is on their Discord and I think what's been presented here from there so far may be a bit one-sided, here's the most recent discussion from their server about the mod.  I'll leave it up to you to decide for yourself if this counts as having a "really bad attitude" and "pouring oil on the fire".   (Obscuring identities of non-SWS individuals who may not wish to be dragged into the discussion.)

Edited January 19, 20224 yr by DeepestRed

35 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Are you using the default G1000 or the NXI? I have no S turning on the ILS or Rnav approaches, so it sound like you have something not right with your installation. 

I use the NXI and my kodiaq does snake its way down the ILS or RNAV approaches.  Interesting you don't have this issue.

"He needs follower and we need haters"  

You call that not pouring oil on the fire ? Come on. This is a pure attack on the person who made a mod that he believes behave more like a Kodiak should. Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the subject. But to set history straight. SWS refuse to acknowledge for weeks issue with the FM. Telling the rest of the world they are wrong only to issue a fix that addressed some of it. Now kudos for SWS to issue some fixes but the real issue is that you are missing the whole 2 weeks of when the Kodiak was release and he flew like word not allowed. Now I believe it's a much better behave aircraft now. The mods was created because it wasn't before. 

7 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I use the NXI and my kodiaq does snake its way down the ILS or RNAV approaches.  Interesting you don't have this issue.

Apply the fix I linked to a couple of pages back, before this thread was hijacked. Follow the instructions and back up the original ai file. 

21 minutes ago, ark said:

Does anyone know if these two mods are by the same person, and if so, does one include the other, or are they different mods?  If different mods, do they conflict with each other?

I don't know if they are by the same person, as neither has a manifest that identifies the creator.   But they are two completely orthogonal things:   the mod on the forum just tunes the PIDs used by the autopilot, whereas the one from fs.to updates various flight model parameters.   You could in theory use both and they wouldn't step on each other, but it's likely that the PIDs in the first one weren't tuned to the flight model in the second one so that's probably not the best of ideas.

9 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

You call that not pouring oil on the fire ?

I already said I'm not going to get drawn into that discussion.   I simply wanted people to have the full context, since content from one platform was dragged to the other but only through one person's filter, and I know not everyone makes use of Discord so getting that full context might be more difficult than if it was just forum drama.

Now that context is present and folks can make up their own minds fairly, but hopefully they'll keep it to themselves because it's rather a pointless argument here.  Which is why I'm not partaking. 😄

20 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I use the NXI and my kodiaq does snake its way down the ILS or RNAV approaches

It's mostly just ILS that snakes for me and I'm using the NXi latest version too. Not a massive issue by any means but it does seem like there's something up. It's been noted by a good few others as well and is correctable with the mod so just a minor issue with the AP PIDs that can be fixed by SWS.

Edited January 19, 20224 yr by Tektolnes

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25 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I use the NXI and my kodiaq does snake its way down the ILS or RNAV approaches.  Interesting you don't have this issue.

Well you have something else  that is not right then, I have no idea what it is, but around 95% of my approaches are ILS and Rnav, and I don't see anything like you are describing. 

32 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

"He needs follower and we need haters"  

You call that not pouring oil on the fire ? Come on. This is a pure attack on the person who made a mod that he believes behave more like a Kodiak should. Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the subject. But to set history straight. SWS refuse to acknowledge for weeks issue with the FM. Telling the rest of the world they are wrong only to issue a fix that addressed some of it. Now kudos for SWS to issue some fixes but the real issue is that you are missing the whole 2 weeks of when the Kodiak was release and he flew like word not allowed. Now I believe it's a much better behave aircraft now. The mods was created because it wasn't before. 

How does this "Real Pilot" that you talk about ( as  many of us are also_) determine what a real Kodiak should fly like ? SWS has  worked with people at Kodiak, and has several Kodiak pilots helping to design the FM? Does your "real Pilot" he have a few hundred hours as PIC in a Kodiak, for instance?  Just curious. 

34 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I use the NXI and my kodiaq does snake its way down the ILS or RNAV approaches.  Interesting you don't have this issue.

After reading the above I just tried an ILS at my home airport with the G1000NXi. I intercepted the LOC at a 45 deg angle (bigger than I usually would use) and at about 120 kts. I figured that would be a reasonable test. The Kodiak initially overshoot the LOC  about a 1/4 dot worth (1/4th the way to the first CDI dot), and then corrected back and flew straight down the ILS -- no S turning on the way down (and, btw, it was a fun approach, the weather is really IFR here, broke out just above minimums!). In my estimation there was no significant issue with how the Kodiak flew the ILS.

So the big question is why do some have S turn issues with the ILS, and some don't? Hard to understand what is going on.

Al

1 minute ago, Bobsk8 said:

How does this "Real Pilot" that you talk about ( as  many of us are also_) determine what a real Kodiak should fly like ? SWS has  worked with people at Kodiak, and has several Kodiak pilots helping to design the FM? Does your "real Pilot" he have a few hundred hours as PIC in a Kodiak, for instance?  Just curious. 

You do understand law of physics right ?  Just to indulge you on this argument, if Kodiak pilots were so right about the FM, why was there an patch issue very shortly afterward addressing some of the concern that "real pilot" mention ? 

This issue is simple. It's not that someone is right or wrong here. It's a matter of exchange of observation and making a determination if a real aircraft would behave this way in real life. I can tell you 100% that the first release of the kodiak didn't. There is no way a STOL rated aircraft would left spin the way it did on Short field take off. Even SWS agree after we had to complain to them for a couple weeks.  Harder doesn't always mean more realistic.  Having real time in a Kodiak surely helps understand better the FM behavior of a specific airframe. That being said, having flight time in order type of aircraft also build your understanding and knowledge on how aircraft low/high wight , single piston, twins behaves. There was something very wrong with the Kodiak at launch.  That issue has been mostly addressed by SWS since than. Which just show the argument that "Tested by real pilots" doesn't always means there isn't an issue. 

This mod was created to address additional issue that the mod author believe needs to be corrected. You have the right to disagree or agree with his assessment. That's your prerogative. This is has nothing to do with the issue at hand. SWS has been very passive aggressive towards anyone who dare to provide any feedback on their aircraft. That the real issue here. It's has become an ad hominen attacks towards someone who's only intention was to improved to an already good product. 

2 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

 

This mod was created to address additional issue that the mod author believe needs to be corrected. You have the right to disagree or agree with his assessment. That's your prerogative. This is has nothing to do with the issue at hand. SWS has been very passive aggressive towards anyone who dare to provide any feedback on their aircraft. That the real issue here. It's has become an ad hominen attacks towards someone who's only intention was to improved to an already good product. 

I will ask one more time, what are the qualifications of the person that is publishing this mod as far as determining how a real Kodiak should fly.? 300 hours in a Piper Cub, is not going to help someone design a FM mod for a Kodiak. Now if this person says he has a few hundred hours in a Kodiak, or more that is a different story. 

7 minutes ago, ark said:

After reading the above I just tried an ILS at my home airport with the G1000NXi. I intercepted the LOC at a 45 deg angle (bigger than I usually would use) and at about 120 kts. I figured that would be a reasonable test. The Kodiak initially overshoot the LOC  about a 1/4 dot worth (1/4th the way to the first CDI dot), and then corrected back and flew straight down the ILS -- no S turning on the way down (and, btw, it was a fun approach, the weather is really IFR here, broke out just above minimums!). In my estimation there was no significant issue with how the Kodiak flew the ILS.

So the big question is why do some have S turn issues with the ILS, and some don't? Hard to understand what is going on.

Al

I think they have other issues with their sim causing this S turning. What they are, I have no idea. I have only heard about this Kodiak ILS problem on this thread, and I have read every thread on the Kodiak since it came out. 

22 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I will ask one more time, what are the qualifications of the person that is publishing this mod as far as determining how a real Kodiak should fly.? 300 hours in a Piper Cub, is not going to help someone design a FM mod for a Kodiak. Now if this person says he has a few hundred hours in a Kodiak, or more that is a different story. 

From what I gather he is a pilot for the Forrest fire fighters up in Canada currently flying an aero commander…Not sure about his actual type times but I’d imagine some of what he says must have some value. Either way, if SWS put out an update on the flight model to reduce the P-factor by 50% (if this even is a fact) shortly after release, which is quite a big discrepancy, then I’d be questioning the “kodiak pilots” that tested the model during beta. I don’t own the plane, just playing devils advocate and looking at it from the outside in.

Edited January 19, 20224 yr by flyinpilot212121

2 minutes ago, flyinpilot212121 said:

From what I gather he is a pilot for the Forrest fire fighters up in Canada currently flying an aero commander…Not sure about his actual type times but I’d imagine some of what he says must have some value. Either way, if SWS put out an update on the flying mode to reduce the P-factor by 50% (if this is a fact) shortly after release, then I’d be questioning the “kodiak pilots” that tested the model during beta. I don’t own the plane, just playing devils advocate and looking at it from the outside in.

Well if he is flying a fire fighting aircraft, he must be a pretty good pilot. I know that the missionary pilot who has a ton of videos on Youtube, and is a very experienced Kodiak Pilot and CFI for that aircraft, says numerous times, that he adjusts rudder trim prior to take off, "full right". I just use 5 click of right rudder on takeoff, which seems to be fine.