19 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

Now this thread, after 13 pages, starts to bring some value to the reader. As non native speaker I always thought that  a baby whines (cries) but I whine (grumble) if asked to do a house chore.

So I had a look on the Merriam-Webster which says

Whinge isn't a simple spelling variant of whine. Whinge and whine are actually entirely different words with separate histories. Whine traces to an Old English verb, hwinan, which means "to make a humming or whirring sound." When hwinan became whinen in Middle English, it meant "to wail distressfully"; whine didn't acquire its "complain" sense until the 16th century. Whinge, on the other hand, comes from a different Old English verb, hwinsian, which means "to wail or moan discontentedly." Whinge retains that original sense today, though nowadays it puts less emphasis on the sound of the complaining and more on the discontentment behind the complaint.

😉

 

The Very Reverend Johnathon Swift...

...wrote that a horse sound is Houyhnhnm !

Here they are in conversation with Gulliver...

10 hours ago, MSFLYER5856 said:

If you have MSFS content installed completely on a custom path, you will have a much lower chance that a full re-install will be necessary when the update is officially released.

Everyone keeps on saying that you simply have to move MSFS to another location and you'll be good. No reinstall needed. However, this text clearly says 'you will have a much lower chance that a full re-install will be necessary'. Seems no one really reads what's written here? They never said putting MSFS in another location will make it 100% sure you won't have to reinstall the sim. So I fully understand it if people who are having a bad or costly internet connection stay away from the beta...!

I myself have a very good internet connection but I am perfectly fine with MSFS as it is: I am utterly enjoying real live weather and TrackIR with the FBW 320. MSFS really is the best flight sim ever and I really don't like the idea of unexpectedly having to wait for a few hours because MSFS suddenly needs to be reinstalled from scratch. 😉 I'll wait for the (so called...) hot fix. Which btw by now, if you ask me, should be called a cold fix... (I'm not really impatient but come on... a true hot fix should have been released a few weeks ago already...!)

31 minutes ago, tup61 said:

I'll wait for the (so called...) hot fix. Which btw by now, if you ask me, should be called a cold fix... (I'm not really impatient but come on... a true hot fix should have been released a few weeks ago already...!)

True -- but everyone seems to be missing the point that they, themselves, have never claimed it was a hotfix. That's forum user terminology.

30 minutes ago, March Hare said:

True -- but everyone seems to be missing the point that they, themselves, have never claimed it was a hotfix. That's forum user terminology.

Also true. 😉 Seems we are all missing something somewhere LOL But nevertheless I do think a true hot fix should have been released quite some time ago already!

24 minutes ago, tup61 said:

I do think a true hot fix should have been released quite some time ago already!

the P3D users have it so good, they got a real Hotfix1 for the Hotfix for christmas, just 1 day after the original Hotfix:😀

The Prepar3D v5.3 Hotfix 1 (5.3.15.28131) is now available and can be downloaded immediately.

and all I got was this lousy t-shirt

 

 

Edited December 23, 20214 yr by turbomax

2 hours ago, tup61 said:

Everyone keeps on saying that you simply have to move MSFS to another location and you'll be good. No reinstall needed. However, this text clearly says 'you will have a much lower chance that a full re-install will be necessary'. Seems no one really reads what's written here? They never said putting MSFS in another location will make it 100% sure you won't have to reinstall the sim. So I fully understand it if people who are having a bad or costly internet connection stay away from the beta...!

I myself have a very good internet connection but I am perfectly fine with MSFS as it is: I am utterly enjoying real live weather and TrackIR with the FBW 320. MSFS really is the best flight sim ever and I really don't like the idea of unexpectedly having to wait for a few hours because MSFS suddenly needs to be reinstalled from scratch. 😉 I'll wait for the (so called...) hot fix. Which btw by now, if you ask me, should be called a cold fix... (I'm not really impatient but come on... a true hot fix should have been released a few weeks ago already...!)

Yes, its not like Asbo is oozing with confidence with this statement. 

1 hour ago, MSFLYER5856 said:

Yes, its not like Asbo is oozing with confidence with this statement. 

I think the loss of confidence started when people's log books went missing.  It was a bit of a shocker, and they offered no real comment on what had caused it or even if it was possible to recover them (seems like it wasn't). 

Of course, we all know they don't do it on purpose - they make mistakes, but this has always been the worry with these 'cloud' based systems.  The aircraft bought from the marketplace and premium content has gone 'missing' for people on quite a few occasions, but they have been fairly quick to restore that at least.  I just wish they could fix the issue properly so it doesn't keep happening.

As for the beta I am currently testing, I have MSFS installed in a non-standard location on my F drive, but as my confidence in not having to reinstall is not very high from my point of view, I have backed-up the whole MSFS folder to another drive.  I hope that works if I need it.  Not sure of the exact process it will take to recover if the formal update goes wrong, but in the first instance I will just try to copy it all back.  I need it to work as I am only on a 6mbs connection until February next year.  Takes 3 days to reinstall normally.  

Edited December 23, 20214 yr by bobcat999

Bob, I spent 2 hoours trying all different things to try and get my moone back last week. Quite a horrible gamming experience. IMO. And it leaves a sour taste in ones mouth moving forward. Who remembers the phrase "a first impressiion is a lasting impression" ?  And many players initial impressions of this game has been quite negative hence the many bad reviews on Steam. The player base has los a lot of confidence with paid addon and expensive gear being renedered useless with each upgrade that sometimes now we are dreading the upgrades.

14 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

I am only on a 6mbs connection until February next year.  Takes 3 days to reinstall normally.  

You daredevil ! 

They can't really be any more confident than that. Gamers have experienced full reinatalls of games for no apparent reason, when updates are due, across many titles, on all store platforms (Steam, MS Store, etc.), across PCs and all major consoles. There are forum posts about this across the internet. The issue doesn't appear to be exclusive to MSFS, and it may be more to do with the distribution platforms and glitches.

Touch wood, I have never experienced a full reinstall with an update...

I installed the beta, and don't really care whether I have to reinstall MSFS or not. I have a fast internet connection with unlimited data.Takes a couple of hours, and I'll be back in business.

1 hour ago, Ricardo41 said:

I installed the beta, and don't really care whether I have to reinstall MSFS or not. I have a fast internet connection with unlimited data.Takes a couple of hours, and I'll be back in business.

And those without a fast Internet connection, and/or with a limited data transfer budget?

A.

4 minutes ago, ADamiani said:

And those without a fast Internet connection, and/or with a limited data transfer budget?

A.

Er... they will care? What's your point? Ricardo41 said he doesn't care about it: he didn't say those without a fast connection shouldn't care about it either. 😉 If you don't like the idea of maybe having to reinstall the sim you simply shouldn't opt into beta.

6 hours ago, tup61 said:

No reinstall needed. However, this text clearly says 'you will have a much lower chance that a full re-install will be necessary'. Seems no one really reads what's written here? They never said putting MSFS in another location will make it 100% sure you won't have to reinstall the sim.

The failure averse wording leaves open a rest risk, but I know from nobody that the full update was actually required when following the instructions. Reading the instructions from earlier betas I also noticed, that issues were pretty much ruled out when moving the community- and the official-folder to a non-default location.

 

1 hour ago, ADamiani said:

And those without a fast Internet connection, and/or with a limited data transfer budget?

With the strong internet dependency, MSFS might have the wrong architecture for those anyway.

6 hours ago, tup61 said:

Er... they will care? What's your point? Ricardo41 said he doesn't care about it: he didn't say those without a fast connection shouldn't care about it either. 😉 If you don't like the idea of maybe having to reinstall the sim you simply shouldn't opt into beta.

Thank you for your answer. That's what I thought.

Do you think this is all right? I don't. Once again, I think that when you mandate updates on your customers, you must be careful. And if a hot (or cold, who cares?) -fix poses some risks of reinstalling everything from scratch, I may be marginally interested because with my 2.5 Gb/s and no data cap connection it won't take long and it will have no consequences. But in some cases it will be a great problem, and in my book "then don't opt into the beta" is not the right answer.

If you believe this is all right, we will agree to disagree and I hope we will all be free to express our thoughts.

A.