10 hours ago, fppilot said:

I am truly not promoting one over the other.  Just happy I have one to fall back on when the other is not working.  That said, the lack of full SDK is very likely responsible for any sudden transitions.  I used REX over the weekend as a fallback for the first time since SU7 HF/beta.  I did not experience any sudden transitions.  REX WF did update the first time I started it over the weekend.  That said, when the weather engine (REX in this case) is providing pressure, temps and winds aloft, consistent with real world reports (Fltplan Go app) but the MSFS ATIS is unrealistically reporting clear skies, 29.92 and 78 knot surface winds then there is a significant issue in either the core of the sim, or in the interface for weather data.

SDK, SDK, SDK!

Frank, are you using the beta or SU7 as it was released in November?

9 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I yearn after the MSFS live weather we had for the first year.  Nobody wants a downgraded experience, but that's what we've had for a while now.  If MS/Asobo fix the weather then I'll use it gladly.  Like everything else, we all weigh up the variables and use what suits us best.  I fly low and slow so have not been affected by any Rex issues, so that product suits me at the moment.  If MS Live Weather suits you better then use it, you won't get criticism from me.

Here's the problem that I finally understand with Asobo's upgrade strategy.  Many of us are using different versions now.  I'm using the beta where many are using SU7 (v1) which has a totally screwed up weather engine.  It would be more helpful if people would tell us what version their using because from where I stand there's no way REX is better than the latest incarnation of the weather engine in the latest SU7 beta.  Yes there 'could' be things off which I haven't found but to say REX is better or has been better escapes all logic to me.  REX doesn't have full access to the weather engine to be implemented properly which should end all discussion of it being superior... 😶

20 minutes ago, Dillon said:

Frank, are you using the beta or SU7 as it was released in November?

Beta

10 hours ago, scotchegg said:

Now the weather is back up, it’s proving quite accurate and well depicted now. I’m getting more variety of cloud types than just the towering cumulus globules of the pre-fix beta.

I noticed this flying over the Philippines last night

Looking out of my windows as I type the weather in MFS looks pretty good. Near enough.

12 minutes ago, Dillon said:

 It would be more helpful if people would tell us what version their using because from where I stand there's no way REX is better than the latest incarnation of the weather engine in the latest SU7 beta.  Yes there 'could' be things off which I haven't found but to say REX is better or has been better escapes all logic to me.  REX doesn't have full access to the weather engine to be implemented properly which should end all discussion of it being superior... 😶

Sorry to "pop your inferior REX bubble" there, but for the last 3 days (including several hours after Asobo reported the FIX is IN),  REX has been completely SUPERIOR to MSFS weather. I am using SU7 beta.  Yesterday, I was sitting at an air field with windy.com reporting 1 inch of snow depth.  METAR  was BKN at 12000 and OVC at 20000.  Both apps reported temp and altimeter accurately.  Skies from MSFS were partly cloudy with sun shining (NO snow on ground), and  REX skies were properly OVC and ground showing excellent light covering of snow with beautiful low light conditions as one would expect to see. 

I am NOT saying REX is ALWAYS better then MSFS, but when I want to fly and  Live WX is wrong, I immediately load REX and can still enjoy a proper VATSIM flight.👍

I may be one of the few that accepts MS2020 integrated weather as is, I'm not looking for perfection,  just as close as it gets to RLW.  The fact that this is the first time I have no need to purchase an alternative is a winner for me. It will only get better.

In regards to REX, the sudden weather reloads is an immersion killer for me so this is why I won't consider purchasing it, MS2020 does an outstanding job in this particular area.

Edited January 4, 20224 yr by CarlosF

36 minutes ago, CarlosF said:

I may be one of the few that accepts MS2020 integrated weather as is, I'm not looking for perfection,  just as close as it gets to RLW.  The fact that this is the first time I have no need to purchase an alternative is a winner for me. It will only get better.

In regards to REX, the sudden weather reloads is an immersion killer for me so this is why I won't consider purchasing it, MS2020 does an outstanding job in this particular area.

Well said, i´am on that boat aswell !

Today i did a 3hours flight with the FBW A320 experimentel and this was fine; and now with Live Weather back on again - and there was nothing to complain about for me ..

cheers 😉

1 hour ago, vcarlo said:

Sorry to "pop your inferior REX bubble" there, but for the last 3 days (including several hours after Asobo reported the FIX is IN),  REX has been completely SUPERIOR to MSFS weather. I am using SU7 beta.  Yesterday, I was sitting at an air field with windy.com reporting 1 inch of snow depth.  METAR  was BKN at 12000 and OVC at 20000.  Both apps reported temp and altimeter accurately.  Skies from MSFS were partly cloudy with sun shining (NO snow on ground), and  REX skies were properly OVC and ground showing excellent light covering of snow with beautiful low light conditions as one would expect to see. 

I am NOT saying REX is ALWAYS better then MSFS, but when I want to fly and  Live WX is wrong, I immediately load REX and can still enjoy a proper VATSIM flight.👍

Sounds good, to each his own.  If you like REX now imagine what it could be if all the info needed for development was in the SDK. Sounds like a new vote thread in the official forums is in order. 🍺

Edited January 4, 20224 yr by Dillon

I understand the live weather fetish thing but I rarely use it and luv to use the themes (or make my own weather) instead.

Just flying for fun I guess.

ns

Edited January 4, 20224 yr by bean_sprout

6 hours ago, Dillon said:

Here's the problem that I finally understand with Asobo's upgrade strategy.  Many of us are using different versions now.  I'm using the beta where many are using SU7 (v1) which has a totally screwed up weather engine.  It would be more helpful if people would tell us what version their using because from where I stand there's no way REX is better than the latest incarnation of the weather engine in the latest SU7 beta.  Yes there 'could' be things off which I haven't found but to say REX is better or has been better escapes all logic to me.  REX doesn't have full access to the weather engine to be implemented properly which should end all discussion of it being superior... 😶

I use the beta.  Many times there is no MSFS live weather or there are different shapes of cumulus for all levels and types of clouds.

MSFS always had the superior weather BEFORE METAR data was used.  At that point the seamless global weather since release was often gone - transitions were introduced and that was the major complaint with REX.  You make the point REX hasn't full access to the weather engine, so why is REX often able to produce better looking and more cloud types?

I'll be first in line to use MSFS Live Weather when the non transition, realistic looking sky returns - if they are able to achieve this by mixing METAR with Global model weather data that is.  I used to consider MSFS weather to be 'superior' to REX because of the seamless global weather coverage.  However, REX is currently portraying the sky in a much more  realistic function imho.  Is this portrayal of the weather superior? I believe it is, so I am willing to accept the much improved REX transitions for a more realistic sky and better looking clouds.

Is REX itself superior?  It depends what you want.  If the goal is zero transitions then no, MSFS Live weather is the way to go.  If the portrayal of the sky is more important then CURRENTLY I feel REX is superior.  This may change of course as the beta is developed.  If the cartoonish looking sky gets back to what it used to be with MSFS then I'll use it more often or exclusively.  I like all the REX products I have, but I'm not a REX word not allowed that is going to religiously use their products even if a superior one exists.

I think REX has done a great job with their weather injection considering they don't have access to the global weather engine.  Time for MS/Asobo to get their weather in order, or maybe employ REX to sort it out.

 

12 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

MSFS always had the superior weather BEFORE METAR data was used.  At that point the seamless global weather since release was often gone - transitions were introduced and that was the major complaint with REX. 

As far as I recall, METARs were introduced in response to several people finding the MSFS real weather not appropriate or not 1:1 to what they see from their window etc. That's one more example I recall before voting for changes which might not always turn out to be to the better.

Kind regards, Michael

2 minutes ago, pmb said:

As far as I recall, METARs were introduced in response to several people finding the MSFS real weather not appropriate or not 1:1 to what they see from their window etc. That's one more example I recall before voting for changes which might not always turn out to be to the better.

True, but I think they expected it to be tested properly and if it didn't work (as it doesn't), it not be forced upon everyone and instead have it continued to be tested and developed until it does. I am afraid it is symptomatic of the huge number of problems Asobo has created by rushing things that simply don't work properly or break other things.

18 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

MSFS always had the superior weather BEFORE METAR data was used.

But not accurate to METAR conditions, which a lot of people were complaining about as it screwed up flight planning. That's why Asobo changed it.

 

 

35 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I use the beta.  Many times there is no MSFS live weather or there are different shapes of cumulus for all levels and types of clouds.

MSFS always had the superior weather BEFORE METAR data was used.  At that point the seamless global weather since release was often gone - transitions were introduced and that was the major complaint with REX.  You make the point REX hasn't full access to the weather engine, so why is REX often able to produce better looking and more cloud types?

I'll be first in line to use MSFS Live Weather when the non transition, realistic looking sky returns - if they are able to achieve this by mixing METAR with Global model weather data that is.  I used to consider MSFS weather to be 'superior' to REX because of the seamless global weather coverage.  However, REX is currently portraying the sky in a much more  realistic function imho.  Is this portrayal of the weather superior? I believe it is, so I am willing to accept the much improved REX transitions for a more realistic sky and better looking clouds.

Is REX itself superior?  It depends what you want.  If the goal is zero transitions then no, MSFS Live weather is the way to go.  If the portrayal of the sky is more important then CURRENTLY I feel REX is superior.  This may change of course as the beta is developed.  If the cartoonish looking sky gets back to what it used to be with MSFS then I'll use it more often or exclusively.  I like all the REX products I have, but I'm not a REX word not allowed that is going to religiously use their products even if a superior one exists.

I think REX has done a great job with their weather injection considering they don't have access to the global weather engine.  Time for MS/Asobo to get their weather in order, or maybe employ REX to sort it out.

 

As is said, 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder'.  The improvements in the sky color and feel of the colors of the sky has been greatly improved with SU7 and using the beta works well when the weather engine is working as it should.  I wish I had a shot when I was flying out of KANE the other day where it was morning, snow on the ground, and a mist that hung low over the ground about 200ft with clear skies.  It was an exact picture of a late December/January sub zero day in real life when I used to live there.  SU7 brought a low hanging haze/fog/mist effect that was fully realized in the SU7 beta. There is no way I want to go back before this change.  REX can't utilize that feature yet.  San Diego had the fog ever so slightly mixed in with broken clouds 1,000ft above the ground the other day.  The mist was mixed in exactly to the clouds, amazing to look at.  I hope Asobo keeps developing this because some of us would rather go back or use something that doesn't fully represent the sky in the way it's possible now.  Yes metar information might need to be implemented better in certain circumstances but they are on the right track hands down.

As I haven't had any of the issues you outlined where the default weather works sometime and then it doesn't, what area in the world do you usually fly?  FS seems to really shine in the western world leaving other areas lagging on the ground and in the air I guess.

Edited January 4, 20224 yr by Dillon