14 minutes ago, Twenty6 said:

There's an "uninstall.exe" in the folder the Kodiak was installed into.

Thank you!  Boy!  That uninstall takes no prisoners, does it?

FYI.  I just did a complete uninstall and reinstall, and it still pitches nose down when AP is disconnected. No Chane at all. 

23 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

FYI.  I just did a complete uninstall and reinstall, and it still pitches nose down when AP is disconnected. No Chane at all. 

After reading your first post on this topic I immediately went and flew a short approach to check.  Same for me. No fix, still drops nose after AP disconnect. 
 

Too bad, they make a good airplane but their Change Management Practices leave a lot to be desired.  In this case communications (patch release delay/confusion) and quality (fix action failed/missing) was dropped. 
 

-B

23 minutes ago, btacon said:

After reading your first post on this topic I immediately went and flew a short approach to check.  Same for me. No fix, still drops nose after AP disconnect. 
 

Too bad, they make a good airplane but their Change Management Practices leave a lot to be desired.  In this case communications (patch release delay/confusion) and quality (fix action failed/missing) was dropped. 
 

-B

SD how can they work on this for weeks, they must have a beta team flying the aircraft after they fix it, and yet it takes me 10 minutes to see there is still a problem? yes the aircraft is great, quality control not so much. I guess it will be another month or two waiting for a solution. 

Edited March 14, 20224 yr by Bobsk8

Something is def. amiss here. Did they pack old files?

The modification date of the flight-model.cfg is: 12-23-2021

Systems.cfg: 12-8-2021

Engines.cfg: 2-4-2022

I did the install on top of the existing version.  Flying now and when I disconnect the A/P there is no drop.  The ALT stays the same and I watched the trim wheel and it does not move at all upon disconnect.  I just tried it about 5 times and it works the same each time.  Not sure why I am seeing the supposedly correct behaviour and you guys are not.

5 minutes ago, MarkW said:

I did the install on top of the existing version.  Flying now and when I disconnect the A/P there is no drop.  The ALT stays the same and I watched the trim wheel and it does not move at all upon disconnect.  I just tried it about 5 times and it works the same each time.  Not sure why I am seeing the supposedly correct behaviour and you guys are not.

Do you have the MSFS Store or Steam version of the sim -- just wonder if that might be the difference?

And did you see the AP disconnect nose drop problem before this latest version update?

Al

Edited March 14, 20224 yr by ark

MS Store version.  yes I think it did but honestly not something that I noticed as a huge problem.

Just now, MarkW said:

MS Store version.  yes I think it did but honestly not something that I noticed as a huge problem.

If you are on an ILS and disconnect AP at 200 feet, and the nose drops 5 degrees, that is a pretty good problem. 

How are you loaded when you experience that?  What is your cg?  I am flying the Gear CP version and have it  pretty well loaded and I am not noticing that. I am not flying empty. 

 Make a backup copy of your flight_model.cfg file and try pasting this load set into the matching section of that file and then try.  (open spoiler window below).

Spoiler

 

max_number_of_stations = 14
station_load.0 = 230, -3.159999, -1.5, 1, TT:MENU.PAYLOAD.PILOT, 1
station_load.1 = 190, -3.159999, 1.5, 1, TT:MENU.PAYLOAD.COPILOT, 2
station_load.2 = 180, -6.29, -1.5, 1, Row 1 Left, 0
station_load.3 = 192, -6.29, 1.5, 1, Row 1 Right, 0
station_load.4 = 130, -8.87, -1.5, 1, Row 2 Left, 0
station_load.5 = 130, -8.87, 1.5, 1, Row 2 Right, 0
station_load.6 = 135, -11.457, -1.5, 1, Row 3 Left, 0
station_load.7 = 128, -11.457, 1.5, 1, Row 3 Right, 0
station_load.8 = 0, -14.04, -1.5, 1, Row 4 Left, 0
station_load.9 = 0, -14.04, 1.5, 1, Row 4 Right, 0
station_load.10 = 60, -16.69, 0, 0.7, Cargo shelf Max 200lb, 6
station_load.11 = 128, -2.167, 0, -2.956, Cargo bay 1 Max 290lb, 6 ;TT:MENU.PAYLOAD.CARGO_POD_1
station_load.12 = 70, -6.27, 0, -2.956, Cargo bay 2 Max 280lb, 6 ;TT:MENU.PAYLOAD.CARGO_POD_2
station_load.13 = 80, -9.23, 0, -2.956, Cargo bay 3 Max 180lb, 6 ;TT:MENU.PAYLOAD.CARGO_POD_3
 

 

Edited March 15, 20224 yr by fppilot

You normally only get that issue if you are using an analogue trimwheel.

 

 

38 minutes ago, fppilot said:

How are you loaded when you experience that?  What is your cg?  I am flying the Gear CP version and have it  pretty well loaded and I am not noticing that. I am not flying empty. 

 Make a backup copy of your flight_model.cfg file and try pasting this load set into the matching section of that file and then try.  (open spoiler window below).

  Hide contents

 

max_number_of_stations = 14
station_load.0 = 230, -3.159999, -1.5, 1, TT:MENU.PAYLOAD.PILOT, 1
station_load.1 = 190, -3.159999, 1.5, 1, TT:MENU.PAYLOAD.COPILOT, 2
station_load.2 = 180, -6.29, -1.5, 1, Row 1 Left, 0
station_load.3 = 192, -6.29, 1.5, 1, Row 1 Right, 0
station_load.4 = 130, -8.87, -1.5, 1, Row 2 Left, 0
station_load.5 = 130, -8.87, 1.5, 1, Row 2 Right, 0
station_load.6 = 135, -11.457, -1.5, 1, Row 3 Left, 0
station_load.7 = 128, -11.457, 1.5, 1, Row 3 Right, 0
station_load.8 = 0, -14.04, -1.5, 1, Row 4 Left, 0
station_load.9 = 0, -14.04, 1.5, 1, Row 4 Right, 0
station_load.10 = 60, -16.69, 0, 0.7, Cargo shelf Max 200lb, 6
station_load.11 = 128, -2.167, 0, -2.956, Cargo bay 1 Max 290lb, 6 ;TT:MENU.PAYLOAD.CARGO_POD_1
station_load.12 = 70, -6.27, 0, -2.956, Cargo bay 2 Max 280lb, 6 ;TT:MENU.PAYLOAD.CARGO_POD_2
station_load.13 = 80, -9.23, 0, -2.956, Cargo bay 3 Max 180lb, 6 ;TT:MENU.PAYLOAD.CARGO_POD_3
 

 

What a ridiculous comment. I have a copilot, two passengers in the second row, and 50% fuel.. What in the heck does that have to do with the trim wheel turning nose down aabout 5 degrees when the AP is disconnected.   Cheez........

Edited March 15, 20224 yr by Bobsk8

27 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

You normally only get that issue if you are using an analogue trimwheel.

 

 

No trim analog wheel. 

Edited March 15, 20224 yr by Bobsk8

33 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

What a ridiculous comment.

He's just trying to help. You've made a comment about the nose pitching down after AP disconnect I think over 5 times. I'm not seeing that problem after the update, either. 

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

If you are on an ILS and disconnect AP at 200 feet, and the nose drops 5 degrees, that is a pretty good problem. 

What !!?  You don't hand fly the approach at least inside the FAF? Heck, if you are mainly along for the ride just buy a ticket and go back and sit in the second or third row. Cheez....    😉

Kidding aside, if a pilot knows to expect the nose drop when the AP is disconnected, then the problem can be well mitigated, much like the pitch changes you get in some a/c with gear and/or flap extension.

I'm sure SWS has been surprised and perhaps embarrassed this issue still exists after they announced it was fixed, and will do what they can to remedy the problem. It could well be it was fixed, and then some subsequent change broke it again before release, or some other odd thing happened, etc.  Yes, they should have caught this before release, but they are not the first well respected developer to have to fix a fix!  There is a lot that goes into developing and testing a high quality a/c, it is a complex process and it is not that unusual for things like this to happen. Unlike some developers, it is clear SWS is working to improve their product, and at no cost to the customer.

Al 

Edited March 15, 20224 yr by ark