53 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I bet some of the people I took for a ride in a  C 172, would have liked a slider like that, on a hot summer day. Every bump we hit, had them turning white..  😉

Yes, but for the umpteenth time I'm not referring to hot days or thermal activity/high wind days. I specifically described baked in turbulence on days which are cool, not hilly and on which there is NO WIND.

3 hours ago, jcomm said:

Well, in this particular regard, I have to disagree Rob...

MFS also models orographic effects, not perfect but acceptably. For a simulator that is fully purpose it looks interesting to say the least...

 

As you know I respect your views on almost everything sim related. However I am saying (perhaps until I'm blue in the face) that turbulence appears to be switched on with absolutely no regard to totally benign conditions. This is clearly therefore nothing to do with impressive development of sophisticated air mass modelling. Someone at Asobo has flicked a switch. While that switch might have some subtlety, it is still a switch. That's a million miles from detailed weather modelling which is an extremely complex subject way beyond Asobo's current capability.

Edited May 17, 20224 yr by robert young

I don’t find it excessive and it doesn’t affect all aircraft. I remember from my PPL days in Australia, I actually got airsick a number of times due to the wild bouncing around in the thermal updrafts. Not a great state to be in when piloting a plane. Imagine if that feeling was simulated? 🤢 I eventually grew accustomed to it, but I can’t say the same for my poor passengers. 

Just did a short flight into Bolzano in the 172, and the plane was absolutely bouncing around quite a bit, but not more than I found realistic given the nearby terrain.

It’s certainly less noticeable in airliners, but I remember the Neo getting shaken up quite well on an ILS approach into Glasgow over the hills. 

Overall I find that the turbulence seem more realistic, or perhaps immersive is a better word, with SU9.

Edited May 17, 20224 yr by Cpt_Piett

1 hour ago, robert young said:

that turbulence appears to be switched on with absolutely no regard to totally benign conditions

I didn’t think about it this way, that there could be a “baked-in” set turbulence. I’d have to do more testing in light aircraft to see if that’s the case. At the moment I mostly fly airliners.

1 hour ago, robert young said:

However I am saying (perhaps until I'm blue in the face) that turbulence appears to be switched on with absolutely no regard to totally benign conditions. This is clearly therefore nothing to do with impressive development of sophisticated air mass modelling. Someone at Asobo has flicked a switch. While that switch might have some subtlety, it is still a switch. That's a million miles from detailed weather modelling which is an extremely complex subject way beyond Asobo's current capability.

Like many others I'm not seeing this either, in fact turbulance is more realistic since SU9 given that it changes correctly according to time of day, season, terrain being flown over etc.

I wonder what aircraft you're flying and if you're seeing this with all of them? If they are default aircraft could it be their not-so-great flight models/tuning that's already twitchy is acting extra twitchy in the post-SU9 environmental airflow? Just guessing here... I haven't flown any of the default ones in a long while except for the C172 and didn't really notice this with that one either, will try some others.

Anyone else using GA birds like Milviz C310, FSW 414 or other non-default light aircraft experiencing this?

I guess we can visualize all this world environmental airflow come SU10 to further track down any issues 🙂

Edited May 17, 20224 yr by lwt1971

2 hours ago, robert young said:

As you know I respect your views on almost everything sim related. However I am saying (perhaps until I'm blue in the face) that turbulence appears to be switched on with absolutely no regard to totally benign conditions. This is clearly therefore nothing to do with impressive development of sophisticated air mass modelling. Someone at Asobo has flicked a switch. While that switch might have some subtlety, it is still a switch. That's a million miles from detailed weather modelling which is an extremely complex subject way beyond Asobo's current capability.

But some of us are not seeing this effect, so perhaps you need to go blue in the face.  I am getting many smooth flights and some mildly bumpy ones, but MSFS for me needs more turbulence to feel realistic.   🙂

IRL I have been sawing away at the yoke on approchres, yet never experienced this in MSFS. You can watch thousands of cockpit YouTube videos where the pilot is getting a proper workout, but I have never experienced this in MSFS.

 

39 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

You can watch thousands of cockpit YouTube videos where the pilot is getting a proper workout, but I have never experienced this in MSFS.

 

Well I'll bow out of this discussion now, as it is not coming across. I did not say there should be no turbulence. For the last time (!!) I said that in STILL AIR conditions with NO WIND and NO HEAT and NO CONVECTION over FLAT land with FEW trees there shouldn't be any turbulence because there is nothing to generate it. But I keep reading replies ignoring those conditions. I give up 🙂

Edited May 17, 20224 yr by robert young

I understand Robert's concerns. As we say in Portuguese - "gato escaldado de água fria tem medo..." - and he has had direct experience of some effects of the unpolished areas of MFS's flight and overall physics modelling but, at the same time, I want to believe what they mentioned in one of the recent Q&A sessions regarding effects of Sun radiation on various sorts of terrain and the heating of the airmasses directly in contact with them, thus causing "rising flows" here and "sinking flows" there, plus the modelling of orographic effects, and probably other forms of perturbation that air masses can be subject to, also in preparation for their upcoming "Soaring tittle", means that at least they're aware of these effects and want to port them in some way to the core weather simulation. Looks cool to me 🙂

Edited May 17, 20224 yr by jcomm

I feel the turbulence is one of the best changes in the last 2 years, as far as immersion goed.

At last the super smooth finals and landings where you hardly had to do anything are gone and it start to feel more like real life.

52 minutes ago, jcomm said:

I understand Robert's concerns. As we say in Portuguese - "gato escaldado de água fria tem medo..." - and he has had direct experience of some effects of the unpolished areas of MFS's flight and overall physics modelling but, at the same time, I want to believe what they mentioned in one of the recent Q&A sessions regarding effects of Sun radiation on various sorts of terrain and the heating of the airmasses directly in contact with them, thus causing "rising flows" here and "sinking flows" there, plus the modelling of orographic effects, and probably other forms of perturbation that air masses can be subject to, also in preparation for their upcoming "Soaring tittle", means that at least they're aware of these effects and want to port them in some way to the core weather simulation. Looks cool to me 🙂

As I understand and Robert can correct me of course, his issues have been with MSFS's default aircraft and how they are tuned and how Asobo makes it hard to modify them, not the core physics/flight-model per se. And of course the core physics/flight-model has certainly enabled realistic simulation of the various 3rd party aircrafts, so its those default aircrafts that needs polishing up... in one sense, I wish Asobo on release had just focused on one default aircraft of each type and done them right, with sound flight models and at least medium fidelity.  That would've gone a long way to prevent these misconceptions that are still propagated about the "msfs flight model".

I guess after SU10 we can see where/when/if the environmental airflow is wrong with the coming visualizations 🙂 For example like Rob says "I said that in STILL AIR conditions with NO WIND and NO HEAT and NO CONVECTION over FLAT land with FEW trees there shouldn't be any turbulence because there is nothing to generate it": we should be able to go to such locales under the right conditions and time of day and season and turn on the world airflow visualizations to see what's actually going on.

Edited May 17, 20224 yr by lwt1971

On 5/16/2022 at 8:54 PM, Captain747 said:

Has any one noticed that since SU9 there is a wild and crazy turbulence that affects all aircraft as soon as they are airborne?...this is also the case with payware and also default airplanes...the GA aircraft are the most affected.

Its very annoying and disturbing especially for the vfr pilots among us (me included)...the whole vfr experience is taking a huge hit with this new wild and crazy over done "turbulence" that was added with the SU9 introduction.  I mean I agree that flying on rails is not totally realistic either...but common...they have clearly over exaggerated it with the new turbulence injection.

Is any one else also experiencing this?...and if so...has any one found a way to fix/control it?...

 

I did a little flight last night, cannot remember where I was but do know there was only a 2 kt wind and the plane was bouncing all about like I was flying through a storm.  Was flat terrain also, no mountains.  Felt and looked so unrealistic.  Was not pleasant so I quite the flight.  You'd be reaching for the sick bag IRL

3 minutes ago, cj-ibbotson said:

but do know there was only a 2 kt wind and the plane was bouncing all about like I was flying through a storm

Not to say it happens frequently, but some weeks ago I had a similar experience in a real plane. We had to secure items using the straps and safety net on board.

But take a look at the winds. I was extremely surprised, because absolutely nothing in the forecast called for a rough ride (stationary high pressure - no frontal activity, morning departure, no convective cloud build up etc)

32 minutes ago, cj-ibbotson said:

I did a little flight last night, cannot remember where I was but do know there was only a 2 kt wind and the plane was bouncing all about like I was flying through a storm.  Was flat terrain also, no mountains.  Felt and looked so unrealistic.  Was not pleasant so I quite the flight.  You'd be reaching for the sick bag IRL

What aircraft?

 

9 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

What aircraft?

 

I've no idea as just flying about so no flight plan etc. Was a GA. Even clear skies did same. Have had it before even in an a320 or 747. Flying the cub at the moment around Rome and its calm

4 minutes ago, cj-ibbotson said:

I've no idea as just flying about so no flight plan etc. Was a GA. Even clear skies did same. Have had it before even in an a320 or 747. Flying the cub at the moment around Rome and its calm

Just wondering if you are flying a default aircraft, because I have yet to find one that flies really well. I don't experience any turbulence problems and I fly nothing but pay ware aircraft.