So wait, when flying in an airliner @ 38,000 feet some tress and a concrete pad below are going to shake us around? I don't think so..

I think turbulence has a lot more to do with the surrounding airmass of the aircraft, including up and down drafts (which we still do not have in MSFS) anyone here flying in the real world? There's usually turbulence most of the time its rarely smooth as silk!

Should those who want an option to turn turbulence off have it? Of course! I also think we should have an option to turn off METAR and use the "original" weather system that was in place before the METAR cause MSFS weather has sucked ice balls since they implemented that,

16 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Just wondering if you are flying a default aircraft, because I have yet to find one that flies really well. I don't experience any turbulence problems and I fly nothing but pay ware aircraft. 

So, do payware aircraft fly through diferent air than default ones?

16 hours ago, Captain747 said:

Yes!...we desperately need that slider!...pronto!

Pronto, pronto! 😉

2 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

So, do payware aircraft fly through diferent air than default ones?

Pronto, pronto! 😉

NO , but they don't fly like a balsa wood glider like many default aircraft do. 

It seems the preferences are so different in terms of turbulence that maybe they should just add a slider. I tried to demonstrate that there seems to be a rationale behind the turbulence and that it is not a global, overall effect. But I don't know. I know that in my PPL days I probably would have taken such a slider if that was an option. 

8 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

It seems the preferences are so different in terms of turbulence that maybe they should just add a slider. I tried to demonstrate that there seems to be a rationale behind the turbulence and that it is not a global, overall effect. But I don't know. I know that in my PPL days I probably would have taken such a slider if that was an option. 

Well if they add a slider it should be labeled like this:

 

Flying on Rails _____-____^___-_________ _________  ___________ Real World Turbulence. 

 

 

😉

One thing the people not experiencing the problem (which I am one of) might consider is that at least some of the people experiencing the problem know what real world turbulence is like and they are still noting that what they are experiencing is extreme and overdone.

The slider seems like a good idea, and even if some people end up wanting it subdued from what might be realistic, if it increases their enjoyment then it seems like a good thing.

If they add sliders, I'd love one to subdue the overdone weathervane effect on the ground handling...

My question now is:

For those of us who wish that a "Turbulence Slider" be implemented...how do we go about to make this happen?...just sit around and silently hope that Asobo does this?...what are the next steps?...

How does it work?...is there a wish list some where that we can add this to?...because its not like one of these days I will be walking down the street and suddenly i happen to bump into a couple of guys of the development team then sit down at the nearest coffee shop and there I ask them if they could please implement "the slider".

Sadly it doesn't work that way...I am hoping that somehow those guys at Asobo grace over these forums and notice our pleas...

 

 

So...can this be put into a wish list somewhere?...

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 18, 20224 yr by Captain747

13 minutes ago, Captain747 said:

My question now is:

For those of us who wish that a "Turbulence Slider" be implemented...how do we go about to make this happen?...just sit around and silently hope that Asobo does this?...what are the next steps?...

How does it work?...is there a wish list some where that we can add this to?...because its not like one of these days I will be walking down the street and suddenly i happen to bump into a couple of guys of the development team then sit down at the nearest coffee shop and there I ask them if they could please implement "the slider".

Sadly it doesn't work that way...I am hoping that somehow those guys at Asobo grace over these forums and notice our pleas...

 

 

So...can this be put into a wish list somewhere?...

 

 

 

 

 

They will probably very quickly put you on "ignore". 

35 minutes ago, Captain747 said:

For those of us who wish that a "Turbulence Slider" be implemented...how do we go about to make this happen?...just sit around and silently hope that Asobo does this?...what are the next steps?...

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/will-you-add-user-controls-for-turbulence-settings/517883 and https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/please-consider-adding-a-turbulence-slider/300063

Can vote on these topics. 

Edited May 18, 20224 yr by Cpt_Piett

1 hour ago, Captain747 said:

My question now is:

For those of us who wish that a "Turbulence Slider" be implemented...how do we go about to make this happen?...just sit around and silently hope that Asobo does this?...what are the next steps?...

How does it work?...is there a wish list some where that we can add this to?...because its not like one of these days I will be walking down the street and suddenly i happen to bump into a couple of guys of the development team then sit down at the nearest coffee shop and there I ask them if they could please implement "the slider".

Sadly it doesn't work that way...I am hoping that somehow those guys at Asobo grace over these forums and notice our pleas...

 

 

So...can this be put into a wish list somewhere?...

 

 

 

 

 

Cap, nice post. Makes sense to me. You know what makes more sense? The "ignore" button for certain forum members. I added 2 today. AHHHHH, what a relief it is!  👍

I personally think that turbulence in MSFS is underdone. We deal with turbulence most of the time and get to use to it, but  it  can be very  terrifying for some ! I knew some real world  student pilots who quit after experiencing severe turbulence in mountains ! I really can’t blame them. 
On the other hand turbulence can be a blessing especially during a checkride ! If pilot screw particular maneuvers it always can be attributed to turbulence! Lol Similarly a bad landing to coyote on runway lol
  
I knew one CFI who used to say “ if it’s not bumpy it doesn’t feel like flying  “ 🙂

 

Edited May 19, 20224 yr by sd_flyer

What I dont get is why people oppose to turbulence (even if it is not exactly in line with weather)

I cant remember a landing irl in which there was not some sort of turbulence. I flew gliders and even on days without any thermals I had to watch out on final because you would come in over a small forrest just before landing.

On one of the first landings in MSFS I made when I noticed the turbulence it was the first time ever in a sim that I (even for a second) had the feeling it was for real and had to catch it. I never had that before and a lot of people want that taken away??   Strange.

Farlis on page 2 nailed it when he said " Lower the temperature or change the daytime to morning and they'll be gone. "

For instance....Handlebar, Weather icon, 7AM: Gone!

Seb mentioned this phenomena in at least one of the Q&As. The question put to him was I think something about 'ghost winds' which were really just the new thermal effects which came about naturally into the simulation due to more detailed physics modeling. And said that some seasons of the year have less turbulence. I forget which seasons.

On 5/18/2022 at 12:12 AM, Captain747 said:

After all has been said and done...there remains one thing that totally boggles my mind...and that is the obvious fact that this problem is clearly not affecting every one...as  many have stated that they are not in any way experiencing wild turbulence problems..even to the point that some say that they wish they had turbulence because their conditions were too calm!...

I mean like...what?...arent we all using the same simulator last time I checked?...uuuh?...there is definitely something fishy going on here....the fact that some are not affected at all by this and others are...whats going on here people?...we need to get to the bottom of this.

 

It would still help if you uploaded a video, so that we can be sure we're all on the same page. Right now we're just talking about turbulence without any point of reference.

Edit: The different experiences may also depend on the live weather and whether or not something is acting up...

Edited May 19, 20224 yr by pstrub

I left the discussion a while back but on a general note about options, there are a couple of things that might be considered:

Almost everything other than an objective view of graphics and scenery in the fine detail design of any simulator, including this one, is based on the judgement or opinion of one or a few people. That's fine providing as much as possible in MSFS should be an option. When I used to fly I would have to drive to the airfield, book in, do ground checks, fuel up, climb in, contact ATC, get a map out or set the gps - you get the picture.

But in this or any other sim I can defy reality by simply loading an aircraft on the runway fuelled up and ready for take of, or even cruising at an altitude I wish, or with a pre-set approach. NONE of these things are "real" but they are incredibly useful to a sim pilot because you can use these options to practice any stage of flight. One could say that in the training and even operational world these are the core functions of a simulator to aid learning or set up a given fight experience. Why should the setting of turbulence be any different?

The option to set weather almost EXACTLY how you wish is just another one of these options. In that regard it should be treated in the same way as any other options, none of which are "real".  If Asobo removed the option to load the sim ready fuelled, or already flying, or at the runway, there would be an outcry.

So, setting aside any discussion about whether almost zero turbulence is realistic or not on most days, it is in a way irrelevant. Moreover, aside from setting so-called real weather, random air mass movement is not a "natural" phenomenon in this sim but the opinion of one person or a very small group of people, and implemented in a baked in manner. Sim pilots on the whole do not like baked in effects for obvious reasons: they diminish the ability to set the sim to parameters one prefers.

I will say that when a poster above says "there is no such thing as still air", technically that is correct. But there is such a thing as steady air - ie an airflow which is virtually undisturbed. In that case, though a wind is blowing, it can be extremely smooth and is only relevant when taking off or landing or tracking a course. In all other respects it is as though the air was still. In many years of power and glider flying in my part of the world this happened many times. Other times there was extreme turbulence. In a sim, it seems obvious that one must be given the option to set either. I can't see that it is any different to other options which sim pilots expect.

Edited May 19, 20224 yr by robert young