In user specified weather, you only feel turbulence if the gusts are stronger than the prevailing wind. Then they kick in hard.

I tried both the default 172 and the JPL152 out of CYVR at noon with clear and live weather and both seemed pretty accurate. Maybe there is a correlation to a specific airport(s)?

I didnt realize this was new untill this thread. I thought I missed it being introduced in the last few updates.

I think it is one of the best new features for me as I fly mostly GA. I love it the way the aircraft moves around when flying low or in mountaines terrain. This shows how MSSF is growing through time.

 

1 hour ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

But I don't get excessive turbulence problems in any aircraft, so it doesn't seem to be aircraft related.  Maybe someone could post a video showing this problem in the default 172 (G1000) so we can comment.

That's why we need a slider to control the turbulence. The sim has many sliders to satisfy the different likes and needs of ALL sim pilots.

If you are satisfied with how YOUR experience is panning out, so be it. Good for you. Well done!

It is NOT a fun time for me and many others. 

We need a slider to add/subtract realism as the pilot sees fit, just as one can add in whatever weather conditions he/she might want to experience, I can go on and on with all the different settings inside the sim.

I really don't see a problem with that.

 

This was discussed at length recently in this thread:
 

 

Please post a vid as you said you would.  This is pointless until we can compare.

On my side I've not seen any instances of exaggerated turbulence at all in SU9. and i've done a lot of hours in a good variety of GA planes all over the world since this update.

Flown PA140’s, PA160’s and 172’s at local flying club at hot and high altitude airfields IRL and on a summer afternoon, flights could be quite uncomfortable, the way the aircraft is shunted and bumped around. After an hour or so of that you are glad to be back on solid ground. Not quite as bad as being in a washing machine but… close. This being over very flat terrain too. Booked flight times specifically to avoid afternoon turbulence. Early mornings always most comfortable.

I believe part of what is being felt is due to some new form of modelling rising air due to radiative energy hitting the surface, at least during daytime and clearer skies, and when the land surface has good Albedo.

I have been able to soar around my home airfield ( LPMN ) and finding the "thermal support" pretty much over the very same areas I explore IRL. If it wasn't for the fact that the glider aerodynamics still leave a bit to be desired, and the fact that these aren't yet "thermals" like we have IRL I would say MFS is proggressing towards a very interesting soaring flight simuklation too.

In mountainous areas up to SU8 I did find what I considered it to be sometimes overdone, specially when IRL weather around those areas wasn't supposed to present such problems ( no SIGMET ), but since SU9 I have flown the sam routes even when stronger low level wind paterns are present and didn't see my FBW A32N bouncing like mad.

I believe that additional fine tuning of weather and the rising / sinking air currents is comming ! We just need to have some patience because so far I believe ASOBO is doing a great work.

Edited May 17, 20224 yr by jcomm

5 hours ago, RaptyrOne said:

Flown PA140’s, PA160’s and 172’s at local flying club at hot and high altitude airfields IRL and on a summer afternoon, flights could be quite uncomfortable, the way the aircraft is shunted and bumped around. After an hour or so of that you are glad to be back on solid ground. Not quite as bad as being in a washing machine but… close. This being over very flat terrain too. Booked flight times specifically to avoid afternoon turbulence. Early mornings always most comfortable.

Yes, but in MSFS there is now turbulence on calm, cool days (morning or evening) when there is nothing that would provoke it. Thus it must be artificially baked in. So this is not a sophisticated simulation of air mass and circulation. Someone has just created it crudely and globally. It also doesn't seem to be related to time of day. 

It's wrong. At the very least a slider is needed. 

 

8 hours ago, Simmer2308 said:

9 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

But I don't get excessive turbulence problems in any aircraft, so it doesn't seem to be aircraft related.  Maybe someone could post a video showing this problem in the default 172 (G1000) so we can comment.

That's why we need a slider to control the turbulence. The sim has many sliders to satisfy the different likes and needs of ALL sim pilots.

If you are satisfied with how YOUR experience is panning out, so be it. Good for you. Well done!

If you want some assistance, post a video like many have suggested.  We can't respond helpfully without seeing a problem many of us don't appear to have.

54 minutes ago, robert young said:

Yes, but in MSFS there is now turbulence on calm, cool days (morning or evening) when there is nothing that would provoke it. Thus it must be artificially baked in. So this is not a sophisticated simulation of air mass and circulation. Someone has just created it crudely and globally. It also doesn't seem to be related to time of day. 

It's wrong. At the very least a slider is needed. 

 

I have just had an almost completely calm flight from Oklahoma to Sedona.  Passed through a band of showers and experienced some bumps.  Bumpy as I descended into Sedona.

This 'baked in' turbulence does not appear to affect everyone.  A video from somebody would be useful.

11 hours ago, robert young said:

This is precisely the baked in effect that most complained about several months ago and it was removed. Now it is back.

If baked in, it is odd how some are not seeing it?  Wonder if it would be something like store/steam?

It is really odd because I do get very smooth flights - to the extent I think turbulence is too weak in msfs!

2 hours ago, robert young said:

Yes, but in MSFS there is now turbulence on calm, cool days (morning or evening) when there is nothing that would provoke it. Thus it must be artificially baked in. So this is not a sophisticated simulation of air mass and circulation. Someone has just created it crudely and globally. It also doesn't seem to be related to time of day. 

It's wrong. At the very least a slider is needed. 

 

Well, in this particular regard, I have to disagree Rob...

I haven't been able to make extensive / scientific-based testing of the new airmass model, but starting SU9 I do notice that the time of day, and the Albedo / surface type do play a role in the development of this "air flows"...

Some posts above I mentioned using MFS lately as a very interesting ( from the scenery pov, but in some way due to this even if still crude, somehow revolutionary ) tool to prepare for some RL tasks in my glider. IRL I fly mostly a Phoebus C, sometimes an LS1-d starting from LPMN, and it's really interesting to find out that some of the "magic spots" that work IRL do work as well in MFS.

The glider flight dynamics do leave a bit to be desired, but I look fwd for the fine tuning of this weather modeling approach comming for SU10 and beyond. OFC there are aspects that need tweaking, like the loss of rising air support when you start a turn over a spot where you were hit by rising air, specially in the presence of more intense wind, but they are still working on it, so, I hope we can reach a better overall model.

Only Silent Wings ( in 2007 ) followed a similar approach, basing it's thermal cycles on sattelite-based terrain processing + Sun ( date and time of day, geographic location ) + Clouds paterns...

MFS also models orographic effects, not perfect but acceptably. For a simulator that is fully purpose it looks interesting to say the least...

 

Edited May 17, 20224 yr by jcomm

Hi,

I for one, have also noticed this since SU9 as the author of this post describes. There is turbulence even if you have all the settings to calm, which prior to SU9 was definitely not the case, at least in my case. And it happens with all aircraft including the heavies.

Mario

11 hours ago, Simmer2308 said:

That's why we need a slider to control the turbulence. The sim has many sliders to satisfy the different likes and needs of ALL sim pilots.

If you are satisfied with how YOUR experience is panning out, so be it. Good for you. Well done!

It is NOT a fun time for me and many others. 

We need a slider to add/subtract realism as the pilot sees fit, just as one can add in whatever weather conditions he/she might want to experience, I can go on and on with all the different settings inside the sim.

I really don't see a problem with that.

 

I bet some of the people I took for a ride in a  C 172, would have liked a slider like that, on a hot summer day. Every bump we hit, had them turning white..  😉