Played a bit with this didn't like it - prob best for fps anyway 

41 minutes ago, Richard Sennett said:

It appears what you stated is correct - quality looked worse - I'm using TAA with DX12 for now

I’m wondering if they’ve done some work on TAA as well, as I swear my AA is even better now. I’m becoming quite a fan of TAA.

25 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

I’m wondering if they’ve done some work on TAA as well, as I swear my AA is even better now. I’m becoming quite a fan of TAA.

I'm going to try dx11 again now - seems bit blurry in dx12 as I play with it more

Edited July 10, 20223 yr by Richard Sennett

Back to TAA/DX11 for me, DX12 was causing all sorts of weird artifacts and DLSS was blurry for glass like others have said. This is a good step forward though, and I'm sure they're going to be able to dial it in with some more time. Our sim is finally growing up! 😂

55 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

I’m wondering if they’ve done some work on TAA as well, as I swear my AA is even better now. I’m becoming quite a fan of TAA.

Yes I am definitely seeing an improvement in AA at TAA. Less shimmering. This applies to both DX11 & DX12.

Edited July 10, 20223 yr by michaelray
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Day one for me DLSS on Quality was blurry. Today, day 2 of SU10 Beta, DLSS on Quality is pin sharp outside the cockpit. Inside the cockpit isn't perfect, but is an improvement over day one.  I'm using DX12 with smooth performance.

I didn't notice a download for the beta today, so why the improvement - is DLSS learning on our PC's?

On 7/8/2022 at 3:03 PM, Fielder said:

Apparently you can't enable the DLSS feature in the menus, as I finally found out after downloading the patch (I wanted to test a well known flight without the SU beta first). You can run DX 12 or DX 11 from the options menu, but apparently DLSS is always on in the patch.

 

My test has just been done: and here's my short reaction:

Long reaction: Munster all the way to France (Lake Geneva). The Swiss mesh package in marketplace installed.

Before SU beta: 30 fps mostly. Would drop if I panned around (I did have side view pre rendering on in options). Stutters every 20 seconds. This has always been  true flying in Switzerland using swiss mesh for me : stutters.

 

After SU 10 beta: fps 30 mostly. Would not drop if I panned around (in fact in increased to 32 or 33 fps). No stutters at all, no not one for the whole flight (its a half hour or so flight). 

Half way thru the flight I upped the sim rate to 4x and then 8x: Still no stutters! 

You can see  my lowly stats: I had graphics global set to Ultra. Render scaling 140. Both terrain and objects LOD set to 200.

Vsync ON. Frame rate limit: 100% (this is the new menu name of what used to be called '120 fps'. (This has always given me the most stability and most fps, locking 'frame rate limit' inside MSFS to way above realistic expectations and turning on Vsync inside MSFS).

 

This is lightyears better than I've seen on this particular flight before. And I've done the same dozens of times (its my standard test flight to test new options). 

 

Me again. Update. I indeed was running DX12 but I was NOT running DLSS in my tests. DLSS is in the FAA menu and you have a choice of high performance, performance, balanced, quality.

So I turned on quality. This would hold back performance but really give a look at what DLLS could do. To my surprise FPS went up very much! Do did picture quality. All the other good things that DX12 and the beta gave me still held true: no reason anymore to disable PG cities from the World Updates. And the stutter improvement that DX12  brought still held true when adding DLSS.

 

I would have to use even more 'hats and horns' Smilies now; because it's not just stutters now. More fps and better images than I've ever seen using this Swiss mesh in the mountains.

Other people (on the MSFS official forum) report some strange artifacts. The images looked familiar to me. I had seen such artifact pictures posted online when overclocking the cpu too much and not setting the RAM speeds in BIOS to be synchronized to your RAM specs. 

Normally you set your FCLK in BIOS to be EXACTLY half of whatever you have set your RAM clock speed in BIOS.

I went to BIOS and overclocked my cpu and stopped letting BIOS Auto set my Ram speeds. I set them myself, not making  FCLK half my Ram clock speed. And booted up MSFS and got these arifacts which look much like those posted by the guys whining about the beta on MSFS forum.

These white triangle artifacts (at LSPU, Munster, Switzerland):

(DLSS is OFF in this screengrab or the image would be nicer)

 

Reset my cpu to a sensible speed, and let BIOS  auto set the RAM speed and all the strange oddities went away for the couple hours I'm flying now.

 

Oh and my fps (using DLSSP went from about 32 to about 44-48 in this 20 minute flight and the image is nicer than I've ever seen. 

I'm starting to think that DLSS puts a load on something, maybe the cpu. I would suggest cranking back the cpu speed, even a slight underclock and not trying to super speed up your ram. Then DL the beta and set DLLS in the 'Anti-Aliasing' selector of MSFS graphics  options. chose "Nvidia DLSS: Quality". Reduce your ram and cpu speeds until any artifacts go away. Maybe like me you'll get a much better image and FPS. You won't know until you run the beta. You can always just go back to the regular non beta version. In steam you that in the Library, MSFS, Properties, Beta window where you can turn the beta on or off.

You created issues yourself by overclocking and fiddling around and now you're suggesting everyone underclock their system? Good lord, sometimes I wish the mods would actually remove some posts to protect other not tech savvy people from borking their systems.

I gotta say now that I stopped tinkering and am just enjoying flying w/DX11, the weather changes are wonderful! It's so cool flying right now up in the North of Japan by a big low pressure system and having the wind make my flight a bumpy mess. This is the turbulence I was hoping for. The cloud changes are also pretty noticeable, and for the better. I'm definitely a fan of SU10 so far- the sim feels much more alive now.

This update looks like a winner to me. Great performance and visual quality and I haven't experienced any degradations. Well done Jörg & Asobo!

I'm impressed with the update as well. Only downside is I can't get the Oculus headset running with DX12. VR just doesn't start up.

6 hours ago, DAD said:

Did you also enable DLSS? Were the glass gauges crisp? Just asking as I see some blurry fonts, making it difficult to read the screens including MCDU unless I start zooming in

Nope, not yet...

I tend to avoid any said AI-based "miracles"... But I will sooner por later gve it a try and report the results the  best I can.

Please if you use it give your feedback to Asobo, otherwise it's pointless. Thanks

3 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Day one for me DLSS on Quality was blurry. Today, day 2 of SU10 Beta, DLSS on Quality is pin sharp outside the cockpit. Inside the cockpit isn't perfect, but is an improvement over day one.  I'm using DX12 with smooth performance.

I'm glad you posted that, I thought I was going mad!

First day I couldn't get DLSS looking good.  The Quality setting looked like I would expect Performance to look and sharpening didn't seem to work.     Yesterday I was getting amazing results.  Glass instruments aren't great still, but steam gauges and general cockpit textures were looking great and scenery was sharp.   How this changed I have no idea, I'm just glad to see someone confirm the same observations. (running DX12 btw)

I was able to run at locked 60fps in many places I'd never have been able to before, but even in areas I had to lock at 30 performance was smoother with a very noticeable difference whilst panning.

So far, so good.

Love the new low level cloud rendering.  Love whatever they've done to the wind/gusts etc.  Everything feels much more "alive"  Now  trying to hover a light Heli (R-22 for example) in a 20+kt gusting wind is a proper challenge.   Even the previously dull to fly  H145 suddenly has some "life" to it!

Definitely some very positive steps forward.