August 18, 20223 yr No problem for me to wait. Flight simming is supposed to be about flying anyway, so what's the hurry?. Cheers, Ed MSFS2020 Steam // Rig: Corsair Graphite 760T Full Tower - ASUS MBoard Maximus XII Hero Z490 - CPU Intel i9-10900K - 64GB RAM - MSI RTX2080 Super 8GB - [1xNVMe M.2 1TB + 1xNVMe M.2 2TB (Samsung)] + [1xSSD 1TB + 1xSSD 2TB (Crucial)] + [1xSSD 1TB (Samsung)] + 1 HDD Seagate 2TB + 1 HDD Seagate External 4TB - Monitor LG 29UC97C UWHD Curved - PSU Corsair RM1000x // Thrustmaster FCS & MS XBOX Controllers
August 18, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, Fielder said: What is it saying about RTX 3060Ti? I have RTX 3060 only in my current gaming laptop. Thanks
August 19, 20223 yr It's just showing how much the graphics card slows down with different DLSS qualities compared to non DLSS (TAA) anti aliasing. 3060 ti will probably be faster than 3060. All DLSS are faster (better) than TAA. 5800X3D, RTX4070, 600 Watt, one or two 1440p 32" screens, 64 GB RAM, 4 TB PCle 3 NVMe, Warthog throttle, VKB NXT EVO stick, Honeycomb Alpha yoke, CH quad, 3 Logitech panels, 2 StreamDecks, Desktop Aviator Trim Panel. Crystal Light VR.
August 19, 20223 yr This is great news!! I'd much rather them take the time to get it right, then release a broken update that needs hot fixes. Thanks Asobo!
August 19, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, Bdub22 said: This is great news!! I'd much rather them take the time to get it right, then release a broken update that needs hot fixes. Thanks Asobo! Exactly. Far better for non-beta-testers to stay on SU9 for a while longer than to have to install a buggy forced update that renders the sim unusable for them for that time. James David Walley Ryzen 7 7700X, 32 GB, RTX 3080
August 19, 20223 yr 34 minutes ago, JDWalley said: Exactly. Far better for non-beta-testers to stay on SU9 for a while longer than to have to install a buggy forced update that renders the sim unusable for them for that time. Yes that is for shure the better way for all of us so i am on the boat for this option ! cheers 😉 Edited August 19, 20223 yr by pmplayer 08.2024 new PC is online : ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI Mainboard, AMD Ryzen™ 9 7950X3D Prozessor, G.Skill DIMM 64 GB DDR5-6000 (2x 32 GB) Dual-Kit, MSI GeForce RTX 4090 VENTUS 3X E 24G OC Grafikkarte, 2x WD Black SN850X NVMe SSD 4 TB - Drive C+D, WD Gold Enterprise Class 12 TB for storage HDD, Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 1000W PC - Power supply, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO CPU Aircooler with 7 Heatpipes, Design Meshify 2 White TG Clear Tint Tower-Case, 3x 4K monitors 2x32 Samsung 1x27 LG 3840x2160, Windows11 Prof. 23H2 - now Windows11 Prof. 25H2 Flightsimulator Hardware: Honeycomb Throttle Bravo, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro, Logitech Flight Joke System, XBox Controller, some Thrustmaster stuff, Winwing CDU Panels.
August 19, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, JDWalley said: Exactly. Far better for non-beta-testers to stay on SU9 for a while longer than to have to install a buggy forced update that renders the sim unusable for them for that time. Well to be fair the current SU10 isn't any more "buggy" than the Sim has been since release, the only major issue is that some people are experiencing performance issues, where others have much better performance than in SU9. That's the main reason for the delay, trying to address that situation so most people get better performance. Overall as it stands the latest beta build is better than the current SU9 for me, if it had gone live it wouldn't be a major problem personally, but I'm glad they're delaying it to give more time to deal with the aforementioned performance issues. Pico Neo3 Link VR - Windows 11 64bit, Gigabyte Z590 Aorus Elite Mobo, i7-10700KF CPU, Gigabyte RX 9070 XT OC 16gb (AMD GPU), 32gig Corsair 3600mhz RAM, SSD x2 + M.2 SSD 1tb x1 Saitek X45 HOTAS - Saitek Pro Rudder Pedals - Logitech Flight Yoke - Homemade 3 Button & 8-directional Joystick Box, SNES Controller (used as a Button Box - Additional USB Numpad (used as a Button Box)
August 19, 20223 yr Author 13 minutes ago, MarcG said: Well to be fair the current SU10 isn't any more "buggy" than the Sim has been since release, the only major issue is that some people are experiencing performance issues, where others have much better performance than in SU9. That's the main reason for the delay, trying to address that situation so most people get better performance. Overall as it stands the latest beta build is better than the current SU9 for me, if it had gone live it wouldn't be a major problem personally, but I'm glad they're delaying it to give more time to deal with the aforementioned performance issues. Isn’t the performance only varying for DX 12 users but not DX 11 users in the open beta? If DX 11 performs the same as SU 9 in the latest open beta build, it’s no better or worse than SU 9, since DX 12 is already pretty bad in SU 9. i5-12400, RTX 3060 Ti, 32 GB RAM
August 19, 20223 yr 53 minutes ago, abrams_tank said: Isn’t the performance only varying for DX 12 users but not DX 11 users in the open beta? If DX 11 performs the same as SU 9 in the latest open beta build, it’s no better or worse than SU 9, since DX 12 is already pretty bad in SU 9. Possibly, I've yet to really try DX12 myself as it bogs down so I'm mainly using DX11 hence the performance issues aren't that bad. Still any optimisation they make to the memory (as stated in last night's Q&A) should affect both DXs so everyone's a winner potentially. Pico Neo3 Link VR - Windows 11 64bit, Gigabyte Z590 Aorus Elite Mobo, i7-10700KF CPU, Gigabyte RX 9070 XT OC 16gb (AMD GPU), 32gig Corsair 3600mhz RAM, SSD x2 + M.2 SSD 1tb x1 Saitek X45 HOTAS - Saitek Pro Rudder Pedals - Logitech Flight Yoke - Homemade 3 Button & 8-directional Joystick Box, SNES Controller (used as a Button Box - Additional USB Numpad (used as a Button Box)
August 19, 20223 yr 10 hours ago, Fielder said: It's just showing how much the graphics card slows down with different DLSS qualities compared to non DLSS (TAA) anti aliasing. 3060 ti will probably be faster than 3060. All DLSS are faster (better) than TAA. Just before the Q&A, I was flying the default Bonanza with all graphics set to ULTRA and V-SYNC turned OFF. DLSS was set to performance. DX-12 was being used. My system is a stock HP OMEN desktop 30L, with AMD Ryzen 5 5600G, nVidia RTX 3060, and 16GB RAM. I was set up using all default except the Honeycomb bridge and the Fly By Wire A320 in my Community folder. While my framerates were around the mid 40s while on the ground at the airport (KROA), they were running about 70 to 80 at altitude. There was no stuttering or any other glitches. Scenery was sharp (at 7000 feet) and the only complaint I might have is the blurring of the glass panels - which seems to have improved over the last few days - even without an update to the beta. The FBW generally runs in the low 40s and drops into the mid to high 20s on the ground. Overall, the SU 10 beta and updates to it have been as good as I have seen the sim perform. John Wingold
August 19, 20223 yr I think it’s pretty apparent that the performance in the latest beta update has been decent for AMD and Xbox users, while those with Intel CPUs have experienced a degradation. 7950X3D | RTX 4090 | 64GB DDR5
August 19, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said: I think it’s pretty apparent that the performance in the latest beta update has been decent for AMD and Xbox users, while those with Intel CPUs have experienced a degradation. To be more specific, it is those with Nvidia GPUs that are not benefiting from the initial DX12 performance increases right?, due to Asobo having to pull out the memory optimizations/handling code due to graphical artifacts. And per the latest Dev Q&A session (see https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1565642019?t=00h11m55s), Asobo said they're working with NVidia and waiting on a fix from them.. which will hopefully come before SU10 release. I guess Asobo also mentioned some separate DX11 performance degradation which they're also working on and aiming to fix before SU10 release (not sure if that is specific to certain GPU/CPU architectures or not) Edited August 19, 20223 yr by lwt1971 Len 1980s: Sublogic FS II on C64 ---> 1990s: Flight Unlimited I/II, MSFS 95/98 ---> 2000s/2010s: FS/X, P3D, XP ---> 2020+: MSFS Current system: i9 13900K, RTX 4090, 64GB DDR5 4800 RAM, 4TB NVMe SSD
August 19, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, lwt1971 said: To be more specific, it is those with Nvidia GPUs that are not benefiting from the initial DX12 performance increases right? To be honest I'm not sure. I was speaking based on having read through a lot of posts on the official forums. EDIT: One thing that does seem to be a clear trend, is that Xbox users are reporting much better performance in the latest build vs the first one. Edited August 19, 20223 yr by Cpt_Piett 7950X3D | RTX 4090 | 64GB DDR5
August 19, 20223 yr 26 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said: I think it’s pretty apparent that the performance in the latest beta update has been decent for AMD and Xbox users, while those with Intel CPUs have experienced a degradation. Yup, I am running a AMD PC and the sim has never been better, Running DX12 since launch and it's made a hell of a differnce. AMD Ryzen 7 5800x3d, MSI X570 Pro, 32 gb DDR4 3600 ram, Gigabyte 6800 16gb GPU, 1x 2tb Samsung NvMe , 1x 2tb Sabrent NvME, 1x Crucial 4tb Nvme M2 Drive
August 19, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said: To be honest I'm not sure. I was speaking based on having read through a lot of posts on the official forums. EDIT: One thing that does seem to be a clear trend, is that Xbox users are reporting much better performance in the latest build vs the first one. With my 2080 Super I had a much better performance with the first Beta build. The artifacts occured mainly when the GRAM was maxed out. Those artifacts varied from only minor graphical glitches on some runways to total loss of outside view (rarely). Performance now is more or less the same in DX11 and DX12. Still smooth without stutter. So I don't complain. If postponing the update helps bringing the DX12 optimization back, I am happy.
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