On 10/12/2022 at 12:11 PM, Ray Proudfoot said:

No signs of P3D on life support for me. Still plenty of airports to buy and of course historical weather courtesy of Active Sky. I’m as happy as a pig in muck. 😁 

And to flip the script, I have just uninstalled all of P3D for much the reasons already mentioned above and heading to MSFS. The user base is shrinking by the day. It’s got FS9 vibes all over it after a couple years of FSX being out. You may like it and stay with it but the vast majority have moved on.

On 10/12/2022 at 1:13 AM, Juliet Alpha said:

...until the day Microsoft shuts down the MSFS servers, which could happen at any time (yeah, I know there's allegedly a 10-year commitment. I don't buy that).

 

Oh stop it please. MS is clearly full in on this project. The investment in platform hardware alone makes it clearly a long term (10 yrs) project.

5 minutes ago, B777ER said:

And to flip the script, I have just uninstalled all of P3D for much the reasons already mentioned above and heading to MSFS. The user base is shrinking by the day. It’s got FS9 vibes all over it after a couple years of FSX being out. You may like it and stay with it but the vast majority have moved on.

2 years of beta builds. Unable to stay on a version you’re happy with. No historical weather, no Wx radar, no decent ATC, no ChasePlane and servers dropping out. All good reasons why I couldn’t contemplate moving to it even for low level VFR.

To compare P3D v5 to FSX or FS9 is disingenuous. DX12 versus DX9, 64-bit versus 32-bit. They’re not remotely the same product. Some of us consider flying our aircraft more important than the view out of the window. Quite happy not to move with the masses.

Enjoy your constantly changing sim.

If MSFS is so great, how come its acolytes are spending time posting here, instead of flying??

Edited October 13, 20223 yr by Boeingnut

To get back on topic it is a pity that the Asia OLC project appears to be dead as it would have brought completion to Orbx's P3D world.  It would have been the my last scenery purchase for P3D.

Bruce

I still purchase addons for P3D and own MSFS premium, but only fly VFR in MSFS and have purchased no addons but the install size keeps growing with every update, Makes you wonder how big an install when finished in 5-7 years. and at say £10 an addon you could spend £10,000 on addons with over 1,000 already.

Edited October 14, 20223 yr by G-RFRY

I spent so much of my old age pension on Orbx P3D scenery- and aircraft - of which many are not yet in MSFS - - that I have just spent 2 days - downloading - (on my new PC upgrade to MSFS standards) - all my P3D software 

I fully intend to use the new power to continue flying with my old birds in P3D - as well as my newer ones in MSFS below 10000FT.

Despite the lack of new stuff for the P3D from Orbx - Asia included - why don't Orbx take advantage of many - still using P3D -

by reducing - significantly - the prices of all their stock software - and taking this dying opportunity - to increase their CASH FLOW

The same applies to other major vendors - e.g. Carenado - Just Flight - etc. 

Edited October 14, 20223 yr by jaytee73

10 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Enjoy your constantly changing sim.

I think changing for the better is a necessity. Anything else sounds like EoL software to me...

Getting DLSS2, DLSS3, world updates, study-level airliners like the A310, quality airports and improved mod and freeware support in just a few weeks time frame for no additional cost could only be positive, or? Compare that with the absolute radio silence from LM...

Just look at the new 4090 reviews out there. When has a flight-sim title ever been used to showcase bleeding edge technologies like DLSS3? How many new users will try MSFS after seeing these videos? 

Developers are not stupid. They are leaving because P3D is a sinking ship. Users may still use it of course (there are some still enjoying FS9 to this day), but to say that MSFS is not the future of flight simulation materialized sounds a bit like ostrich effect to me.

Edited October 14, 20223 yr by GCBraun

...until the day Microsoft shuts down the servers.

28 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

Compare that with the absolute radio silence from LM

Think of it what you like, but LM has never communicated between updates, so their silence now doesn't mean they aren't actively developing a new version.

And yes, at the moment there are more add-ons being released for MSFS than for P3D, but MSFS does have a long way to catch up in that respect. The market for P3D seems almost saturated.

27 minutes ago, Juliet Alpha said:

...until the day Microsoft shuts down the servers.

Fine! Every product dies. I have been enjoying MSFS for over 2 years now and their plan is to support the product for another 8. Considering that MSFS has proven to be very sucessfull (otherwise they would not keep investing on it), I am pretty sure the current version will be replaced with a new one.

4 minutes ago, d.tsakiris said:

MSFS does have a long way to catch up in that respect.

Not sure the way is that long. I don't miss much from P3D at this point, even though I had an extensive library of add-ons. Whenever I want to fly an advanced large airliner not available on MSFS, XP12 comes in handy.

Edited October 14, 20223 yr by GCBraun

8 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

Fine! Every product dies.

There are differences here, though. Should MS pull the plug on the servers (and I'm not saying they will), then MSFS loses a huge portion of it's appeal. For other "dead" products that don't rely on streaming services, that is not the case. (Again: I'm not speculating in any way on whether that will happen.)

10 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

Not sure the way is that long. I don't miss much from P3D at this point, even though I had an extensive library of add-ons.

P3D has over a decade worth of compatible add-ons to offer. And add-ons aside, there still is a thing or two that MSFS can't do, and for some of us, that's substantial.

16 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

Whenever I want to fly an advanced large airliner not available on MSFS, XP12 comes in handy.

Sure, XP also covers a lot of use-cases. As does P3D, and MSFS also of course. But none of them cover all use-cases, as you just pointed out.

10 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Enjoy your constantly changing sim.

C'mon Ray, as a moderator you shouldn't be lowering yourself to the level of 'my Sim is better than yours'.

The MSFS people are only going to throw back '..enjoy your stagnant, never evolving Sim.'

5 minutes ago, d.tsakiris said:

But none of them cover all use-cases

As an active DCS, MSFS and XP12 user, I don't dispute that at all.

My point is that only one sim platform has an absolute lack of clarity regarding its future. Why should I keep investing or even using it? The only few use cases not supported by MSFS at this point are easily achieved on evolving sims like DCS or XP12.

Edited October 14, 20223 yr by GCBraun

56 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

I think changing for the better is a necessity. Anything else sounds like EoL software to me...

You laud the benefit of constant change but fail to mention the many occasions serious bugs have been introduced and have required hot fixes. The latest problem with weather is the absence of cloud. No doubt it will be fixed but some of us would prefer a stable simulator.

59 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

world updates, study-level airliners like the A310, quality airports and improved mod and freeware support in just a few weeks time frame for no additional cost could only be positive, or?

World updates are great. But what about 3rd party airports bought via the store where the AFCAD cannot be changed as it’s locked. Not very user-friendly. And I believe the 787 - part of the premium package- is still locked. Why?

1 hour ago, GCBraun said:

Developers are not stupid. They are leaving because P3D is a sinking ship. Users may still use it of course (there are some still enjoying FS9 to this day), but to say that MSFS is not the future of flight simulation materialized sounds a bit like ostrich effect to me.

No, they’re moving to where the money is and I don’t blame them. Their teams are too small to support both sims but there’s a huge number of airports available for P3D.

I never said MSFS is not the future of flight sim. And there you go with insults to those preferring to stay with P3D. You didn’t comment on the advantages of P3D that I listed presumably because they are valid points.

I’m no ostrich and I resent the suggestion. I have never insulted those who prefer MSFS. I respect their decision but it’s just not for me.