15 minutes ago, Sunshine13 said:

That was a very informative video of the 4090 comparing to 3090.  But do u really need 140 frames for this simulator ?

Not at that price anyway especially if you have a 3000 series card already or your happy with your current performance 

1 hour ago, kiek said:

For me 140 fps would be way over the top. I use a flight simulator to learn to fly an airliner as real as possible. A good aircraft addon is important, good looking scenery is not,  30 fps will do.

30 fps is awful when you’ve used 60. 120 is magnificent. 30 might seem smooth, but, it’s really not. It’s laggy and awful using TrackIR. 60 fps should be the minimum and 120 is just amazing, matching the refresh rate of a monitor. Zero stutters. Truly groundbreaking. Why would anyone want to stay at 30fps when this technology is available if one can afford it, boggles the mind. 

Do you need a 144 Hz monitor, or can you still get 120 fps on a 60 Hz monitor 

Edited October 21, 20223 yr by Jetman67

19 minutes ago, Sunshine13 said:

That was a very informative video of the 4090 comparing to 3090.  But do u really need 140 frames for this simulator ?

Do you really only need 30? Of course we need 140. Even More 200. Why not? It allows for future tech to be implemented. Loads of headroom. Why limit what can be achieved? Never rest on your laurels. 

5 minutes ago, Jetman67 said:

Not at that price anyway especially if you have a 3000 series card already or your happy with your current performance 

That price isn’t that bad if you got a founders edition 4090, £1699. pretty much the same as the 3090 with inflation thrown in. What is lots to someone, is not a lot to someone else….. 

1 hour ago, Jetman67 said:

or can you still get 120 fps on a 60 Hz monitor

no, only the other way round.

1 hour ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

30 fps is awful when you’ve used 60. 120 is magnificent. 30 might seem smooth, but, it’s really not. It’s laggy and awful using TrackIR. 60 fps should be the minimum and 120 is just amazing, matching the refresh rate of a monitor. Zero stutters. Truly groundbreaking. Why would anyone want to stay at 30fps when this technology is available if one can afford it, boggles the mind. 

I agree, more is better, but there are diminishing returns. Where those returns really start to diminish will be different for everyone. For you, it may be at 144Hz. For me, it's above 60Hz, and for some here, it's 30Hz.

I have to see DLSS3 in action with my own eyes, but I am skeptical.

Let's be honest about what it is... it's a post processing technique that injects duplicate frames with some motion extrapolation applied. If your sim is only running at 30FPS before DLSS3, it's still only putting out 30FPS of real content after DLSS3. All DLSS is doing is adding some AI generated content to make it feel faster.

16 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said:

If your sim is only running at 30FPS before DLSS3, it's still only putting out 30FPS of real content after DLSS3. All DLSS is doing is adding some AI generated content to make it feel faster.

I have waited for more than a decade....for that feeling....

53 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said:

I agree, more is better, but there are diminishing returns. Where those returns really start to diminish will be different for everyone. For you, it may be at 144Hz. For me, it's above 60Hz, and for some here, it's 30Hz.

I have to see DLSS3 in action with my own eyes, but I am skeptical.

Let's be honest about what it is... it's a post processing technique that injects duplicate frames with some motion extrapolation applied. If your sim is only running at 30FPS before DLSS3, it's still only putting out 30FPS of real content after DLSS3. All DLSS is doing is adding some AI generated content to make it feel faster.

I'm not sure the "fake" moniker is fair. Its all..not real. If it makes things smoother and looks good then, its good. 

 

How real is a non-AI-generated frame? 🤔

4 hours ago, TheFamilyMan said:

Sure, DLSS 3 is nice for pancake mode, especially since it steps around being CPU bound and this vid proves its point, but I can't fly 2d anymore.  Let's see how DLSS 3 pans out for VR (dang I've love to peg my G2 at 90 fps, now I'm sporting a solid 45 fps frame rate limited with DLSS Quality on a 3080 ti).  Input lag...we'll see how that unfolds too.

The one place the 4090 shines is VR.  My Varjo Aero can now hit the 2D CPU speed limit in VR with DLSS Quality and Ultra settings, or I can use DLAA/TAA and motor on at 35 FPS with those settings.  It's double what the 3090 was offering at those high resolutions.  If you are looking to push resolution that's where it separates itself generationally from the 30 series.

Anyone that needs more than 60fps in a flight sim needs to take a reality check.
It makes sense up to a point, but this is a FLIGHT sim.

 

I'll see if I can recall this correctly. I followed NickN's Guide to build a Haswell system to the letter in 2013. The graphics card in that system was a GTX780. I ran that exact system for 4 years and comparing my systems performance to the latest and greatest my system held its own or was better. In late 2017 I upgraded to a used GTX 980ti. I never got as high a 3DMark score after that so called upgrade as I got with GTX 780. Looking at performance improvements over the next couple of years still thought my Haswell systems was on par with latest and greatest. I'd post performance videos to Youtube and the comments would be something like. 'My system is newer than yours and its not as smooth'. I finally caved in mid 2019 and upgraded to an i7 8086K and a 1080ti. (I got used 2080ti around the end of 2019) Both used and a used ROG MAXIMUS X APEX. Everything else was recycled from the Haswell system. I overclocked the 8086K to 5.3ghz. It was a noticeable step up from the Haswell system and since everything was used it was pretty cheap but I can't remember exactly how much. It took me a year to fry the CPU with my unskilled overclock. even though the temp where fine I still managed to fry it. I was posting with Nick at that time and he had a good laugh and an I told you so moment at me frying the CPU. Just around then the 9900K builds where going on and I was looking at that but then the 10900K build where getting going and Nick wrote the book on that and I again followed his guide to the later in building an entirely new system. That's 7 years since the last time I built a completely new system. It initially had the 2080ti until I finally managed to get a 3090 in January of 2021 so nearly 8 years after the last time I bough a brand new GPU or CPU or MB for that matter and my system performance all along has been pretty much on a par with whatever was cutting edge proving that its 95% hype and 5% innovation or there abouts.

2 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

How real is a non-AI-generated frame? 🤔

These days, pretty darn real...

 

6 hours ago, GSalden said:

Here in Europe the 3090 FE two years ago costed € 1549. I know this because I first was interested in buying one.

Theh we had the usually brands and their cards would cost €! 1400-2000.

Then because of COVID prices were rising very quickly and my 3090 cards were almost double their price just before summer (checked it).Those prices were ridiculous.

The 4090 cards start at € 2349 and go up to € € 3000 here.

If we find this normal then the next 5090 card might cost € 3000-3500 with DLSS 4….🤔

 

perhaps a mix of initial release speculation and the tanking of EUR:USD in the past 2 years would account for the higher prices you are seeing?