1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

And yet despite all the negative analogies there are plenty of users including myself who are perfectly happy with it.

Yep, ignorance can be blissful 😉 and perusing forums day in and day out is not a surrogate for jumping in, learning and flying high end aircraft in MSFS personally.  My sense is you'll stay perfectly happy as long as you steer clear of installing and becoming an experienced user of MSFS, after which you won't look back 😉.  I speak from decades of FSX/P3D experience, as do most others here.

What happend to the OP? This one just goes on, my post got deleted for pointing out the obvious, and the moderator is biased towards P3D. Still scratching my head on this one... 🤔

Edited January 10, 20233 yr by Kaboki

1 hour ago, turbomax said:

define "plenty".

less than everybody else?

not too many plenty "professionals" around the P3D forum:

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Once you fly MSFS for awhile, you realize just how ugly P3D is. I flew MSFS for a couple of months, had to send my PC back so they could fix it, dug out my old PC with P3D on it, and after  a couple of  hours of that, that was enough. Luckily they fixed my PC, and got it back to me within about 10 days total. In the mean time, I watched YouTube videos of MSFS. Anyway, I think it is obvious that the OP, who posted basically the same thing 2 years ago as he did a few days ago to start this thread, just has an axe to grind, and I am surprised the thread is still here. 

Edited January 10, 20233 yr by Bobsk8

4 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Once you fly MSFS for awhile, you realize just how ugly P3D is. I flew MSFS for a couple of months, had to send my PC back so they could fix it, dug out my old PC with P3D on it, and after  a couple of  hours of that, that was enough. Luckily they fixed my PC, and got it back to me within about 10 days total. In the mean time, I watched YouTube videos of MSFS. Anyway, I think it is obvious that the OP, who posted basically the same thing 2 years ago as I did a few days ago to start this thread, just has an axe to grind, and I am surprised the thread is still here. 

I have not enjoyed going back to P3D but till the 777, 747, 330, 787 etc come over I just have to bare with it. While using MSFS with the 737 and 320.

5 minutes ago, Noel said:

Yep, ignorance can be blissful 😉 and perusing forums day in and day out is not a surrogate for jumping in, learning and flying high end aircraft in MSFS personally.  My sense is you'll stay perfectly happy as long as you steer clear of installing and becoming an experienced user of MSFS, after which you won't look back 😉.  I speak from decades of FSX/P3D experience, as do most others here.

You hit the nail on the head. Until I installed and flew MSFS for awhile, I thought P3D was the ultimate. It's like owning a Ford Pinto,  and then driving a Mercedes. You never want to go back. 

7 minutes ago, Kaboki said:

What happend to the OP?

The OP did actually come back yesterday, which was apparently lost on a number of posters …

 

1 minute ago, SierraDelta said:

The OP did actually come back yesterday, which was apparently lost on a number of posters …

 

Yes, that was he's second post in he's own thread going on for 7 pages.... 

And as someone pointed out, he made a similar post 2 years ago that also was he's "first" experience with MSFS. He also started a thread "fenix versus FSLabs". To me its obvious he's nothing but a 👹. But it probably fits with the moderators own agenda, so im the problem here and not the troll. 

6 minutes ago, Kaboki said:

as someone pointed out, he made a similar post 2 years ago that also was he's "first" experience with MSFS. He also started a thread "fenix versus FSLabs". To me its obvious he's nothing but a 👹.

Possibly. Although given the OP's posting history on another sub-forum here, I think you are attributing malice to where inaptitude / forgetfulness may fit instead.
A new-ish user of MSFS would not necessarily know that MSFS pilot assists don't play nicely with complex airliners.

The issue in this thread is actually the initial assumption that MSFS is just another iteration of the ESP platform. What worked for FSX and P3D, is unlikely to do so in MSFS and will catch out the unwary.

22 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Once you fly MSFS for awhile, you realize just how ugly P3D is

I honestly kept P3D functioning for around 6 months or so post MSFS launch.  I coped with its inherent crudeness by limiting all flights to occur from dusk to dawn.   This allowed me to decrease autogen and vegetation to SPARSE, which in turn allowed smooth performance at a lowly 30fps/30Hz vsync.  During those dim hours all you can really see if night lighting and nicely lit 3rd party airports so worked very well in that context.   About 6 months into it I became willing to forgo the PMDG NGXu and 777, Majestic Dash 8, and one or two others, and of course this was pre-MSFS PMDG ware.

1 minute ago, F737MAX said:

Possibly. Although given the OP's posting history on another sub-forum here, I think you are attributing malice to where inaptitude / forgetfulness may fit instead.
A new-ish user of MSFS would not necessarily know that MSFS pilot assists don't play nicely with complex airliners.

The issue in this thread is actually the initial assumption that MSFS is just another iteration of the ESP platform. What worked for FSX and P3D, is unlikely to do so in MSFS and will catch out the unwary.

This doesn't explain why someone posts two  years ago that they are a new user of MSFS, and things they don't like about it, and two years later posts almost the exact same thing. Nobody has a memory that is that bad. 

32 minutes ago, Kaboki said:

What happend to the OP? This one just goes on, my post got deleted for pointing out the obvious, and the moderator is biased towards P3D. Still scratching my head on this one... 🤔

“The moderator“? There’s more than one of us and I simply answered a question I was asked. If your post was hidden ( we don’t delete) then it was deemed to contain something unacceptable to the staff and in breach of the T&Cs you signed up to.

35 minutes ago, Noel said:

Yep, ignorance can be blissful 😉 and perusing forums day in and day out is not a surrogate for jumping in, learning and flying high end aircraft in MSFS personally.  My sense is you'll stay perfectly happy as long as you steer clear of installing and becoming an experienced user of MSFS, after which you won't look back 😉.  I speak from decades of FSX/P3D experience, as do most others here.

I’m not ignorant and you’re out of order for suggesting as much - winky emoticon or not. I probably read as many topics on this forum as MSFS owners. Part of my job.

The high end aircraft I fly are not available in MSFS bar one and that P3D version gives me all I require.

We don’t all have the same priorities. I wish people would understand that. Managing fuel flying a 32-bit Concorde over open ocean gives me more pleasure than flying at 1500ft in MSFS.

Also finishing the post with "it's clear that P3D is the serious sim...MSFS is an Xbox game" 

Is that a constructive way to start a post? Its a perfect way to trigger mine is bigger than yours type of discussion. 

Edited January 10, 20233 yr by Kaboki

24 minutes ago, Kaboki said:

Also finishing the post with "it's clear that P3D is the serious sim...MSFS is an Xbox game" 

Is that a constructive way to start a post? Its a perfect way to trigger mine is bigger than yours type of discussion. 

I agree, but must say that in my time here most of " mine is better than yours" rubbish comes from MSFS zealots, which is of course to be  expected in an MSFS Forum, but whatever side does it its really really  boring

44 minutes ago, Kaboki said:

Also finishing the post with "it's clear that P3D is the serious sim...MSFS is an Xbox game" 

Is that a constructive way to start a post? Its a perfect way to trigger mine is bigger than yours type of discussion. 

It’s an opinion which the OP is perfectly entitled to. Just as you are entitled to yours which others may not agree with.

52 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

 

We don’t all have the same priorities. I wish people would understand that. Managing fuel flying a 32-bit Concorde over open ocean gives me more pleasure than flying at 1500ft in MSFS.

And you know this how?  As I recall you have no interest whatsoever in MSFS.  BR.#

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