24 minutes ago, Jude Bradley said:

I agree, it's a PITA to set up first. UI is horrible, and controllers are not easy or intuitive to set up, and the view system is horrible, but you do get used to it eventually. 

I did MSFS setup back in alpha without a single problem, help or documentation. It's not hard to figure out! Am I genius? Not at all! It's just thing with some people got to use to one GUI i and after  switch to another (even if it's better) find it difficult and dislike it . It's one of traits of people who hard to change. I've seen in software business for over several decades. Story repeat again and again. LOL

45 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

I did MSFS setup back in alpha without a single problem, help or documentation. It's not hard to figure out! Am I genius? Not at all! It's just thing with some people got to use to one GUI i and after  switch to another (even if it's better) find it difficult and dislike it . It's one of traits of people who hard to change. I've seen in software business for over several decades. Story repeat again and again. LOL

I agree, learning a new sim isn't much more difficult that learning a new aircraft. Just takes some patience and the ability to think a bit. 

1 hour ago, Jude Bradley said:

I agree, it's a PITA to set up first. UI is horrible, and controllers are not easy or intuitive to set up, and the view system is horrible, but you do get used to it eventually. 

The setup with Steam was easy enough. A breeze.

The controllers are actually not easy to set up because MS in its infinite wisdom didn't add the necessary 10 lines of .txt to explain the sliders.  It is indeed a trial and error process at first  but the graphic interface helps a lot. 

The UI has strong and weak points. It could be user-friendlier (e.g. the menu cascade of world map overlays) and lacks features but I don't remember it being better in MSFS predecessors.

The vanilla view system could be better and then again I don't remember that it was much better before. The record/replay system is a weak point.

Edited January 9, 20233 yr by Dominique_K

18 hours ago, BWBriscoe said:

How does this even happen??

This happens when you use full AIG plus GSX together at an add-on airport. There is currently since SimUpdate 10 an object limit of 1000 that can be processed by Simconnect. Such objects are the AI aircraft injected by AIG, their respective Service Vehicles on the Ground, GSX Jetways and Ground Services. Once you go over that object limit, stuff like that will happen.

That you suffer from this I can also glean from you mentioning that you don't see AIG traffic injected as soon as the traffic manager is running.

It is bascially the MSFS version of the OOM error that used to plague P3D.

 

What you can do to alleviate the problem is go into the AIG Manager and deselect the service vehicles for the aircraft and then run the verify setup tool. And also not have the traffic set at 100%.

Edited January 9, 20233 yr by Farlis

17 hours ago, Adamski_NZ said:

Try FSLTL instead of AIG.

Won't help one bit. Causes the same issues he is seeing.

7 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

Adding an AI airliner environment pushes MSFS beyond a maximum number of objects limit?? Does that not strike anyone as something that needs to be addressed pretty quickly?

We've been trying to get this to Asobo's attention, but since it only happens when you combine two add ons in a certain way, they say it is hard to reproduce.

They should just lift the object limit they introduced and the problem should go away. 😉

4 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

I did MSFS setup back in alpha without a single problem, help or documentation. It's not hard to figure out! Am I genius? Not at all! It's just thing with some people got to use to one GUI i and after  switch to another (even if it's better) find it difficult and dislike it . It's one of traits of people who hard to change. I've seen in software business for over several decades. Story repeat again and again. LOL

Not at all, in fact I use X-Plane 11 and 12, started with X-Plane 9 which had a not very friendly UI, but was at least workable with some logic, X-Plane 10 and onwards have a great UI and is at least usable and doesn't take long to set up compared to the mess that MSFS created. I would have thought they would have continued or evolved from the FSX mode of UI instead.

18 minutes ago, Jude Bradley said:

Not at all, in fact I use X-Plane 11 and 12, started with X-Plane 9 which had a not very friendly UI, but was at least workable with some logic, X-Plane 10 and onwards have a great UI and is at least usable and doesn't take long to set up compared to the mess that MSFS created. I would have thought they would have continued or evolved from the FSX mode of UI instead.

Are you judging as a professional who develops  front end with latest modern UI trends? Or as person who get to use to UI of particular software that you find easy to use because of familiarity over time ?  

I happen to work on a support team that works in UI for 15 years. 

I agree, MSFS has the most awkward setup UI Ive used in any sim, its all over the place

1 minute ago, Pathfinder633 said:

I agree, MSFS has the most awkward setup UI Ive used in any sim, its all over the place

Not very related to this thread but I too agree.  It's very quirky.  It's not always intuitive, and sometimes does things you'd not expect.

8 hours ago, BWBriscoe said:

Maybe I tried to run before I could walk. Thank you all for the feedback (and some do the criticism which I deserved!). However, I have a huge amount of experience in using complex airliners with AI traffic so thought I’d jump into MSFS and start from a position I was familiar with. 

Thanks for some of the advice. A couple of assists had been left on, so hopefully disable my these will make the Fenix A320 perform much closer to its realistic envelope. 
 

However, I am concerned about the disappearance of airports because MSFS can only create a certain number of airports. This makes flying with complex AI impossible surely?! Does anyone have a work around for this?

Thanks

You never answered to the fact you wrote basically the same "review" of MSFS a couple of years ago - so either you were lying then or you are lying now about trying the sim for the first time...  Sorry but you come across more a troll than someone seeking help.  In my 2 years of flying in MSFS in VR on a less than high-end system using TBs of add-ons, I have never had an airport disappear.  MSFS is absolutely not perfect, and as you get more and more into it (assuming you get that far) you WILL encounter limitations and bugs in the sim - some of which are quite frustrating.  But IMO it is by far the best option for us simmers - now and into the foreseeable future.  It would appear the vast majority, if not all, issues you encountered in your "first weekend" of trying MSFS were due to your own inexperience with the software.  I wonder what your first 2 days were like using P3D...  

8 hours ago, BWBriscoe said:

However, I am concerned about the disappearance of airports because MSFS can only create a certain number of airports.

Airports do not "disappear", at least not in my experience.  No reason to be concerned.. 😉

Edited January 9, 20233 yr by Bert Pieke

I would pity an XBOX gamer that had to deal with an 80s style menu system.

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I’m in a similar situation as the OP. I just installed the sim a little over a week ago. 
I have only added the FBW A320 NEO but I have not flown yet.

Setting different controllers for different aircraft can be a pain but thanks to a tip from another user I created “null” joystick profiles to assign when flying with a different controller.

I have not been able to find a proper sensitivity setting for my Fulcrum One yoke. Just moving the controller the slightest creates too much movement on the aircraft. I’ll keep trying. 
 

I also downloaded one single livery for the FBW Neo and it doesn’t matter which community folder (I have various) I place it in it does not show in the sim. I am using Steam version.

The flight training section I think it’s great. I have done the first two parts and I’ve been scoring “A’s”.

 

I have not touched AI traffic or ATC yet. 
 

When I get frustrated I hop back into P3D and do a leg on the iFly 737MAX.

 

I know it’s going to take me a while to get everything setup to my liking and learn the in and outs of MSFS but I’ll keep trying.

I believe the scenery and airports look great so I don’t see myself getting scenery addons anytime soon. For aircraft addons I will probably fly the FBW for a while before buying something else.

The sim has a lot of potential but most important I believe it’s going to save me some $$$ 😁