1 minute ago, AnkH said:

Easy as that...

Then the question remains, how much graphic fidelity you lose by the AI generated frames. I have not looked at it in detail, but people reported quite a degredation in clarity on the displays.

If that is fixed or improved then DLSS will be indeed a good solution. But as long as it comes with a trade off, it is basically a cheat not indicative of the real power of the GPU.

I just had a tooth fixed for $1400 so 80 fps with my 3060ti is just fine.

sp

5 minutes ago, Farlis said:

Then the question remains, how much graphic fidelity you lose by the AI generated frames. I have not looked at it in detail, but people reported quite a degredation in clarity on the displays.

If that is fixed or improved then DLSS will be indeed a good solution. But as long as it comes with a trade off, it is basically a cheat not indicative of the real power of the GPU.

You don’t need to use DLSS, just use TAA. I use TAA100 and I see zero graphical degradation at 4K. Zero. 
 

And who really cares if it’s a cheat, as you put it. Seriously who cares? I am quite happy cheating my way to 120 fluid frames per second. Beats fighting for 40-50 frames any day of the week, or any week of the last 30 years! 

Edited February 1, 20233 yr by Ianrivaldosmith

Absoluetly, but most reports are positive on FG, as long as you use it with TAA and not with DLSS. But then, for me the most important hesitation factor to get a 4xxx card, for FG you have to use DX12 and I am one of those heavily suffering from the DX12 ground texture bug. So, until this is not fixed, I might wait getting a FG capable GPU...

11 minutes ago, Farlis said:

Then the question remains, how much graphic fidelity you lose by the AI generated frames. I have not looked at it in detail, but people reported quite a degredation in clarity on the displays.

If that is fixed or improved then DLSS will be indeed a good solution. But as long as it comes with a trade off, it is basically a cheat not indicative of the real power of the GPU.

Ive been using frame generation for the past several weeks.  Its pretty fantastic.  Artifacts are pretty minor if and when they occur.

The nature of flight sims where most objects are relatively far from the viewer means there is a lot of "frame coherence" meaning the amount of change from one frame to the next is relatively small (as compared to a racing sim for example).  This makes it a great candidate for frame interpolation.  

Everyone's situation is different, but for me the performance jump with these new features is .. to be cliche ... game changing and well worth the money.  (p.s I did also have a 3090 previously)

Edited February 1, 20233 yr by VFXSimmer

2 minutes ago, VFXSimmer said:

(p.s I did also have a 3090 previously)

How much in percentage would you say did you gain from the upgrade?

2 minutes ago, Farlis said:

How much in percentage would you say did you gain from the upgrade?

fps 80%...

Enjoyment.. 200%

(its also not apples to apples, because I also increased most settings to Ultra and still saw the the 80% increase)

Edited February 1, 20233 yr by VFXSimmer

1 minute ago, VFXSimmer said:

fps 80%...

Enjoyment.. 200%

Well that is quite something indeed. 

But the price is still insane. 

Edited February 1, 20233 yr by Farlis

1 minute ago, VFXSimmer said:

game changing

The key term when using FG. Absolutely. 

22 minutes ago, VFXSimmer said:

fps 80%...

Enjoyment.. 200%

(its also not apples to apples, because I also increased most settings to Ultra and still saw the the 80% increase)

This. I too came from a 3090 and agree.

I also changed my monitor for a Gsync Ultimate and that has eliminated my tearing and allowed me to use HDR when I want it. The combination of the card and the monitor is easily 300%+ improvement in enjoyment.

26 minutes ago, Farlis said:

Well that is quite something indeed. 

But the price is still insane. 

I mean what do you consider fair price?  He went from a 3090 to a 4090 and got 80% increased perf.  I went from a 1080 ti to a 4080 and saw about 4x the perf in busy areas...about 3x in rural.  Seems like a darn high rate of return on to me!

Everyone knows that for a flight simmer enough is never enough. 🤠

sp

I have a kind of on topic question regarding the RTX 4090. I have one on order, and I just wanted to confirm that with the 4090, it is recommended to have HAGS turned ON. Can some current 4090 users confirm or deny this?

I tend to upgrade my GPU quite often over the years, hoping for a substantial improvement in FPS, and always disappointed in the few FPS I'd gain. That is, until now. I've upgraded from a 3080Ti to a 4090 and seen a huge improvement and smoothness in my sim. Was it worth it? For me, absolutely. My sim is now running like I always have dreamed it could.  Highly detailed airports, Highly detailed aircraft, Addons like GSX, and FS Traffic.  Most settings on high or ultra. That has never been possible before. We are truly in a new era for flight simming. 

As for the cost, I paid more for my 3080ti then I did for the new 4090. Everyone has their own opinion on value, but for me, it was money well spent on a hobby I love to do. 

As VFXSimmer stated above,  Enjoyment 200%

26 minutes ago, sniper31 said:

I have a kind of on topic question regarding the RTX 4090. I have one on order, and I just wanted to confirm that with the 4090, it is recommended to have HAGS turned ON. Can some current 4090 users confirm or deny this?

I have heard this too, and I have it on.  I've not had any issues.