July 4, 20232 yr Hello, I’m considering upgrading to a 4080 from my 3080. At the moment, I use TAA as I find the cockpit displays go a bit blurry with DLSS. Am I correct in thinking FG is only available with DLSS mode and therefore cockpit displays will have a slight blur? Finally, the CPU is a 12600K, so would a 4080 be a overkill if I just upgraded the CPU or does the benefit of FG bypass a lot of the bottlenecking issues? Many thanks, Mike
July 4, 20232 yr 32 minutes ago, mikethe6th said: Am I correct in thinking FG is only available with DLSS mode and therefore cockpit displays will have a slight blur? No. FG also works with TAA. Quote Finally, the CPU is a 12600K, so would a 4080 be a overkill if I just upgraded the CPU or does the benefit of FG bypass a lot of the bottlenecking issues? I think this is the best part of FG. Especially when you are heavily CPU limited at large airports with lots of traffic, FG doubles the framerate and everything looks smooth withouit stuttering.
July 4, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, crimplene said: No. FG also works with TAA How can I turn on FG with TAA? And will that cause the blurry displays like DLSS FG?
July 4, 20232 yr Frame generation works only with DX12. MSFS defaults to DX11. So make sure you've switched to DX12 and completely rebooted the sim thereafter for the change to take effect. People often confuse different options that are unfortunately linked together under the term DLSS. DLSS 3 refers to FG. You do not need to use the original DLSS 1 upscaling -- which can lead to small amounts of blurring -- in order to use DLSS 3 for frame generation. If you have good hardware, as you do, you can use TAA and DLSS 3 together and get the best of both worlds. The only problem with this method is the one I suffer -- namely, that my antiquated TV display can't keep up with the 100+ fps I get. I have to dial down the output to 60fps, but it is a perfectly stable and stutter-free 60fps at 4K. For more fps, you need a dedicated computer monitor or one of the newer GSync or compatible TVs. Processor: Intel i9-13900KF 5.8GHz 24-Core, Graphics Processor: Nvidia RTX 4090 24GB GDDR6, System Memory: 64GB High Performance DDR5 SDRAM 5600MHz, Operating System: Windows 11 Home Edition, Motherboard: Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX, LGA 1700, CPU Cooling: Corsair H100i Elite 240mm Liquid Cooling, RGB and LCD Display, Chassis Fans: Corsair Low Decibel, Addressable RGB Fans, Power Supply: Corsair HX1000i Fully Modular Ultra-Low-Noise Platinum ATX 1000 Watt, Primary Storage: 2TB Samsung Gen 4 NVMe SSD, Secondary Storage: 1TB Samsung Gen 4 NVMe SSD, VR Headset: Meta Quest 2, Primary Display: SONY 4K Bravia 75-inch, 2nd Display: SONY 4K Bravia 43-inch, 3rd Display: Vizio 28-inch, 1920x1080. Controller: Xbox Controller attached to PC via USB.
July 4, 20232 yr Another FG noob here. Right now I have a 3060Ti, which does the job (although locked at 31 FPS via RTSS, and a bit underclocked via MSI Afterburner) and a 1080p FreeSync monitor. I'm always limited by main thread (as expected). I guess you all run MSFS with no frame lock. Will it make sense to upgrade from the 3060Ti to a 4060Ti (when it becomes available), just because of FG? Edited July 4, 20232 yr by Luis Hernandez Best regards,Luis Hernández Main rig: self built, AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D (with SMT off and CO -50 mV), 2x16 GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Nvidia RTX 5060Ti 16GB, 256 GB M.2 SSD (OS+apps) + 2x1 TB SATA III SSD (sims) + 1 TB 7200 rpm HDD (storage), ID-Cooling SE-224-XTS air cooler, Viewsonic VX2458-MHD 1920x1080@120-144 Hz (G-sync compatible), Windows 11. Running P3D v5.4 (with v4.5 scenery objects as an additional library, just in case), FSX-SE, MSFS2020, MSFS2024 and even FS9! Lossless Scaling for all my sims. What a godsend...Mobile rig: ASUS Zenbook UM425QA (AMD Ryzen 7 5800H APU @3.2 GHz and boost disabled, 1 TB M.2 SSD, 16 GB RAM, Windows 11 Pro). Running FS9 there .VKB Gladiator NXT Premium Left + GNX THQ as primary controllers. Xbox Series X|S wireless controller as standby/mobile.
July 4, 20232 yr 39 minutes ago, Luis Hernandez said: Right now I have a 3060Ti, which does the job (although locked at 31 FPS via RTSS, and a bit underclocked via MSI Afterburner) and a 1080p FreeSync monitor. I'm always limited by main thread (as expected). If you have a stable 31 FPS, I see little reason to spend money on a GPU upgrade if you are limited by the CPU.. What do you stand to gain? Bert
July 4, 20232 yr I use FG with TAA without issues. The only time I see some FG related blurriness is if I pan really quickly I might get a few visual artifacts as the FG catches up to the rapidly changing image. It’s really not that noticeable and compared to the benefits of FG nothing to worry about. Dave Current System (Running at 4k): ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F, Ryzen 7800X3D, RTX 5090, 55" Samsung Q80T, 64GB DDR5 6000 RAM, EVGA CLC 280mm AIO Cooler, Brunner CLS-E NG Yoke, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS & Stick, Thrustmaster TCA Quadrant & Add-on, VirtualFly Ruddo+, TQ6+ and Yoko+, GoFlight MCP-PRO and EFIS, Skalarki FCU and MCDU
July 4, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Bert Pieke said: If you have a stable 31 FPS, I see little reason to spend money on a GPU upgrade if you are limited by the CPU.. What do you stand to gain? It'll effectively double the frame rate by extrapolating motion trends in successive frames to create an interleaved GPU-generated frame in between each of the frames output by the program (CPU). That extrapolation is all done outside MSFS in the GPU, so it actually makes sense--if you can get it to work. I haven't been able to get FG to work reliably, though--it'll run for 30-45 min and CTD just about every time. Up to that point I get 80-90 fps to the monitor, which is really smooth, but that marginal improvement over the 45-50 fps I get using the 4090 and DX11 isn't worth the intense aggravation of never getting to the point of a landing. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
July 4, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Luis Hernandez said: Another FG noob here. Right now I have a 3060Ti, which does the job (although locked at 31 FPS via RTSS, and a bit underclocked via MSI Afterburner) and a 1080p FreeSync monitor. I'm always limited by main thread (as expected). I guess you all run MSFS with no frame lock. Will it make sense to upgrade from the 3060Ti to a 4060Ti (when it becomes available), just because of FG? IMO: yes, totally. I had an RTX 3090 and got an RTX 4090 this year. It double the fps and more importantly frametime stability is a lot better. I mean, flying over the ocean you will go from 150 fps to 300 fps, in this case it really doesn’t matter much. But in airports like KLAX + FSLTL I went from 30 fps to 80. It’s a big deal where matters the most. I have made two upgrades that I think improved significantly the performance on demanding situations: 5950x > 7800x3D and RTX 3090 > RTX 4090. So if you can buy a 3d cache cpu + an RTX compatible with FG, you won’t regret. Edited July 4, 20232 yr by ca_metal 9800X3D@H150i // Msi RTX 5090 Trio OC // 64GB DDR5 6000mhz CL30 // 2TB + 1TB Nvme Dell 27" 2127DGF - 1440p - Gsync - 165hz Thrustmaster TCA Sidestick Airbus // TCA Quadrant Airbus // TFRP T.Flight Rudder Pedals // Logitech Flight Multi Panel
July 4, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, ca_metal said: It double the fps and more importantly frametime stability is a lot better. Can you post a CapFrameX capture in a complex demanding scenario? I'd love to see it, the FTV piece. Thanks Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
July 4, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Noel said: Can you post a CapFrameX capture in a complex demanding scenario? I'd love to see it, the FTV piece. Thanks Sure, but I will need to take a look on CapFrameX first, I never used it. 9800X3D@H150i // Msi RTX 5090 Trio OC // 64GB DDR5 6000mhz CL30 // 2TB + 1TB Nvme Dell 27" 2127DGF - 1440p - Gsync - 165hz Thrustmaster TCA Sidestick Airbus // TCA Quadrant Airbus // TFRP T.Flight Rudder Pedals // Logitech Flight Multi Panel
July 4, 20232 yr It's a fabulous freeware app that generates this kind of capture for FTV and Stuttering. When you have started it simply hit F11 key to stop and start capture. I will typically start after pushback and GSX has ended, then stop when I reach cruise altitude. Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
July 5, 20232 yr 23 hours ago, David Mills said: you can use TAA and DLSS 3 together and get the best of both worlds. Do you have advice on how to set up this way? TAA and DLSS3 seem to be mutually exclusive in my MSFS settings. I've turned on DX12 and restarted. **EDIT** I needed to turn on Hardware-Accelerated Graphics in the windows settings (exactly like it says in MSFS haha) Edited July 5, 20232 yr by Pete165
July 5, 20232 yr On 7/4/2023 at 4:36 PM, Bert Pieke said: If you have a stable 31 FPS, I see little reason to spend money on a GPU upgrade if you are limited by the CPU.. What do you stand to gain? Smoothness, the sense of speed, the latter you 100% do not get at 30FPS. It's choppy, especially when using trackIR. 60 FPS should be what you aim for as minimum using trackIR. down to 40 works, but 60 or above is IDEAL.
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