I was really looking forward to this Beta this past weekend for the fantastic 787-10 changes (WT for the win!), but the performance is terrible. Why does MSFS consistently go 2 steps forward and 20 steps backward whenever there is the slightest optional or mandatory update? 

11 minutes ago, McLaren said:

I was really looking forward to this Beta this past weekend for the fantastic 787-10 changes (WT for the win!), but the performance is terrible. Why does MSFS consistently go 2 steps forward and 20 steps backward whenever there is the slightest optional or mandatory update? 

Because it's a beta. If you are not willing to deal with flakiness, you shouldn't be on the beta. This isn't in any way mandatory, you should remain on the release version till this next version goes live. 

I installed the beta and flew all weekend with no issues at all, that is with DX11. 

Edited August 14, 20232 yr by CarlosF

21 minutes ago, McLaren said:

I was really looking forward to this Beta this past weekend for the fantastic 787-10 changes (WT for the win!), but the performance is terrible. Why does MSFS consistently go 2 steps forward and 20 steps backward whenever there is the slightest optional or mandatory update? 

I am finding it just about alright in DX11, but it seems DX12 has a few issues for some people. 

Even in DX11, it seems like my CPU is working a bit harder than before and getting hotter.  I have had to take extra measures as my 13900k was topping out at 100C at times when I looked back at my temperature monitoring software.  I have never really seen that before.  And this isn't weather / ambient temperature related.  While a lot of Europe has been hot, I have had nights as low as 13C recently in the UK.

Obviously performance / smoothness is key in simulators - I would put it before pretty graphics certainly.
We need it to feel a realistic effect of flying, and being able to respond on the controls to feedback from the screen. 
They understand this for MSFS2024 it seems, but I really wish they could look at it again for 2020 before they move on.

As for people saying McLaren should not be on the beta, he has a right to mention what he sees.  It might be an early beta but it is never very good when things appear to go backwards because it is obviously an unintended effect.  And don't forget a lot of us complained about the white dot in the last beta, and look were we are still.  That still made it to the full release, so that is always concerning.  Anyway, hopefully they can find the causes.

Edited August 14, 20232 yr by bobcat999

46 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

As for people saying McLaren should not be on the beta, he has a right to mention what he sees.  It might be an early beta but it is never very good when things appear to go backwards because it is obviously an unintended effect. 

Of course, but the whole point of a beta is to see these issues and then report them in the appropriate place - the MSFS beta forums are collecting all this feedback, and tracking bugs etc. Complaining about the beta being a beta (and thus sometimes "broken" in places) is kinda redundant. 

File a bug report, hopefully they fix it, if not then I'll absolutely 100% join you in complaining about the full release being broken!

58 minutes ago, JonathanC said:

Because it's a beta. If you are not willing to deal with flakiness, you shouldn't be on the beta. This isn't in any way mandatory, you should remain on the release version till this next version goes live. 

1) I know it's Beta - I've rolled back. I was hoping to have some fixes to the 787. Instead, I got terrible performance. 

2) Constantly (for three years) the betas have TONS of things that break and one (787 in this case) that isn't broken? Then the "release" comes and many of the broken things people care about (DX12 anyone) still have the same issue or new ones. Can they maybe break the cycle a bit and have an "aircraft" beta and a "core" beta or not put 1000 things into big bulk updates - I'm not an MS developer so I can't speak to their limitations but it's pretty poor for customers/testers alike. Some will say "AAU updates" vs "World Updates" - this is not AAU, but it fixes tons of issues on the 787.

I have a large love/hate relationship with this product. I've owned it since day one and it does a lot of things great, but so many things still suck three years later, and MS is ready to roll onto the next big thing. 

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58 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

my 13900k was topping out at 100C at times when I looked back at my temperature monitoring software.  I have never really seen that before. 

nor have I, but then again, I chose the AMD 7850x3D for a reason: 85C max that I have seen. don't add water, just a single CPU air cooler.

Edited August 14, 20232 yr by turbomax

I have the Steam version. In the Steam app I am signed up for the Beta. Is getting out of the Beta as simple as changing that parameter in Steam to None, or is it too late once you're in it?

56 minutes ago, Rob G said:

. Is getting out of the Beta as simple as changing that parameter in Steam to None

Yes.

2 hours ago, JonathanC said:

Because it's a beta. If you are not willing to deal with flakiness, you shouldn't be on the beta. This isn't in any way mandatory, you should remain on the release version till this next version goes live. 

A lot of folks still don't understand what a beta is and think: I get to try the new word not allowed before everyone else. 

Whereas the reality is, that a beta is new word not allowed that might break the old word not allowed, and the new word not allowed might not work either. 

22 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

A lot of folks still don't understand what a beta is and think: I get to try the new word not allowed before everyone else. 

Whereas the reality is, that a beta is new word not allowed that might break the old word not allowed, and the new word not allowed might not work either. 

Beta's are things we, as a group, test for deployment to a larger group. Right now MS is handing out poorly vetted ALPHAs and asking us to do QA for free. I get it, this is 100% optional and not required, but it's getting tough to want to test these things when they introduce clear performance issues that move backwards. 

This is a good place to comment about Beta issues with stability etc - many people are reporting similar things (slow load times, stuttering). 

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/1-34-10-0-su13-beta-survey-stability-pc/604361

If many dozens/hundreds/thousands of people chime in, it might help move the needle.

Edited August 14, 20232 yr by JonathanC

2 minutes ago, JonathanC said:

This is a good place to comment about Beta issues with stability etc - many people are reporting similar things (slow load times, stuttering). 

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/1-34-10-0-su13-beta-survey-stability-pc/604361

If many dozens/hundreds/thousands of people chime in, it might help move the needle.

Agreed, I have been watching this and posted on another topic in the larger Beta forum but did not see this page with a survey. Thank you for sharing! 

1 hour ago, McLaren said:

Beta's are things we, as a group, test for deployment to a larger group. Right now MS is handing out poorly vetted ALPHAs and asking us to do QA for free. I get it, this is 100% optional and not required, but it's getting tough to want to test these things when they introduce clear performance issues that move backwards. 

Careful Jordan!  Some people on here think we don't know what a beta is.
And please don't dare make any observations about the beta on this Avsim MSFS beta thread specially started for the subject, or the thought police will come on and try to belittle you and lecture you like a headmaster!  

I am not sure what else you are supposed to do in a thread about a beta other than make observations about it, for good or for bad, and compare it with other peoples experiences. 
Maybe someone else can tell me?  As there seems to be a few really clever people about.  The quips are really humorous. 

Edited August 14, 20232 yr by bobcat999

Hope it works out well for you @McLaren. 

@bobcat999 no idea if you're referring to me or not.

Personally I try and be helpful when I can, not really up for snarky asides or being called the thought police. I have been using MSFS from the tech alpha days and have been on every beta so I've been through this a bunch of times where the beta is terrible, horrible, breaks everything and so on, but over time the general trend has been one of stellar improvement. That's why I'm still on MSFS. 

Anyway, internet points don't matter to me, not here to "win" any arguments. If I sounded like I was lecturing anyone, I apologize. I was told AVsim can be unfriendly to newcomers and I can see why. Take care.