1 hour ago, Krakin said:

I'm not too worried about 2024

I wasn't even worried about 2020, and to be honest, so far I have only flown half of all default airplanes, let alone the millions of air miles still ahead. and accomplished only 1 lesson/tour/mission in all these 3 years. scratched only the surface of all those in depth POHs and workingtitle/Garmin manuals. if they cancelled MSFS 2024 or I would have to go back to the other 2 simulators - what a nightmare.

Edited August 15, 20232 yr by turbomax

2 hours ago, filou said:

In addition to the doubts I have about the balance and quality of the future MSFS 2024 and in view of the current circumstances .The end of MSFS 2020 is going to be pathetic.

But we will keep many souvenir photos made in all corners of our beautiful planet.

That they only do what they know how to do with a little coherence and honesty will be enough for me.

While I understand your thoughts on this, the way it is going, MSFS2020 / 2024 will be the only real game it town. 

I am not disrespecting Xplane or P3D (I owned them both), and they do have their die-hard fans for a reason, but once most people have tried MSFS and invested in it, there is no going back for the vast majority of people.

Therefore we will get what we are given and have to trust MS / Asobo - there is no alternative, and I think your final poetic sentence above tends to reflect this. 

Just now, bobcat999 said:

Therefore we will get what we are given and have to trust MS / Asobo - there is no alternative, and I think your final poetic sentence above tends to reflect this.

As much as I agree with this, I do not like it. It'll be like the MSFS cartel. A monopoly so to speak. Once they have that, they wont be under any real pressure to up their game. Competition is good. I Wish X-plane had more funds and a non-cray owner. 

5 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

As much as I agree with this, I do not like it. It'll be like the MSFS cartel. A monopoly so to speak. Once they have that, they wont be under any real pressure to up their game. Competition is good. I Wish X-plane had more funds and a non-cray owner. 

When XP12 was announced I hoped in a totally new engine and a partnership with Google Maps to fight MSFS on equal terms. 

Sadly, it didn't happen... 

There is a reason why MSFS is a cartel: the other sims were asleep at the wheel, while at the same time thinking they had a permanent hold on your wallet. Addon developers nickel and diming you (Carenado). 

As I've said before, watching the success of MSFS 2020 was like watching an early Mike Tyson fight: one minute you're in the ring with Mike Tyson, the next you're lying on the floor, confused, asking yourself "what just happened"?😄

1 minute ago, Ricardo41 said:

There is a reason why MSFS is a cartel: the other sims were asleep at the wheel, while at the same time thinking they had a permanent hold on your wallet. Addon developers nickel and diming you (Carenado). 

As I've said before, watching the success of MSFS 2020 was like watching an early Mike Tyson fight: one minute you're in the ring with Mike Tyson, the next you're lying on the floor, confused, asking yourself "what just happened"?😄

Sounds like blitzkrieg. Let's hope it ends better. 

After having had to reinstall the whole sim a few updates ago when unrolling from a beta, I decided to never participate again.

I wait for the final versions.

3 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

I Wish X-plane had more funds

they would have those funds if they did what the market wants. funds come from paying satisfied customers, otherwise not.

remember, they had a 10 year head start.

Edited August 15, 20232 yr by turbomax

58 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

I am not disrespecting Xplane or P3D (I owned them both), and they do have their die-hard fans for a reason, but once most people have tried MSFS and invested in it, there is no going back for the vast majority of people.

I had a VW GTI once, and it was great at the time. But I prefer my supercharged Audi A6 3.0.

47 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

There is a reason why MSFS is a cartel

MSFS is not a cartel. A cartel is an association that uses its dominant position to restrict competition. The only thing restricting the competition are their own products. MSFS dominates because it is head and shoulders better than the competition. Simple as that.

55 minutes ago, mryan75 said:

But I prefer my supercharged Audi A6 3.0.

AUDI: Vorsprung durch Technik

 

 

 

Edited August 15, 20232 yr by turbomax

1 hour ago, mryan75 said:

MSFS is not a cartel. A cartel is an association that uses its dominant position to restrict competition. The only thing restricting the competition are their own products. MSFS dominates because it is head and shoulders better than the competition. Simple as that.

This.

There are certain external factors that will push them to do better, a big one being the prevailing opinion that XP12 has a better flight model. Outside of that, I don't think the absence of competition would have changed their strategy of giving us a ton of free content and making decisions unheard of like the WT upgrades and near study level default aircraft. Funny enough, the existence of the marketplace actually protects us from them slacking off. The marketplace is the main income generator and in order for it to be effective, they need to have as many active users as possible. If they start messing up they will lose users and that will affect them negatively.

2 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

I am not disrespecting Xplane or P3D

I used X-Plane for years and I enjoyed it very much. The problem with X-Plane is Meyer. 

34 minutes ago, Krakin said:

Outside of that, I don't think the absence of competition would have changed their strategy of giving us a ton of free content and making decisions unheard of like the WT upgrades and near study level default aircraft. Funny enough, the existence of the marketplace actually protects us from them slacking off. The marketplace is the main income generator and in order for it to be effective, they need to have as many active users as possible. If they start messing up they will lose users and that will affect them negatively.

Yup exactly, and success breeds success.. Clearly the success of v2020 has driven them to double the size of the extended dev team from 250+ to 500+ as they work towards v2024, something they would not be doing if they were feeling complacent and/or wanting to rest on their laurels. All what they've said they're doing for v2024 points to them staying on top of current technologies and pushing the bar upward and forward. Also good to keep in mind how the bulk of the 3rd party dev market is now exclusively developing for MSFS, and they too are driving factors for MS/Asobo (in fact some of the enhancements coming in v2024 are due to common requests from the 3rd party devs). Competition at the sim platform level is always good, but MS/Asobo don't seem to be needing such competition at the moment to keep driving them forward.
 

1 hour ago, turbomax said:

AUDI: Vorsprung durch Technik

 

 

 

Auf jeden fall!