Basically an AAU3 disguised as SU. Utterly disappointing.

Now it's clear they are fully focused on that MS2024 and they will leave the 2020 to dust.

9 minutes ago, Jeeeno said:

Basically an AAU3 disguised as SU. Utterly disappointing.

Now it's clear they are fully focused on that MS2024 and they will leave the 2020 to dust.

I don’t see a problem with that.

This version of FS was released in August 2020.

All the updates have been/are still free.
MS could have just said no more updates. Sim updates - nah. 
World updates - nah.

Yes sometimes things are broken. But at least they listen and still actively develop and aim to improve and engage with community.

Maybe I’m old, but I don’t get this community some days… there’s a lot of entitlement going on. 

Look at that 787 we got. Free! 
Missing somethings - yes. But I would say it’s on par if not better with QW787 back in the days (bar the VSD/FO PFD). The final updated version of QW787 doesn’t even expand the ILS loc scale when you’re on approach on P3D… the HUD is a beautiful recreation in MS and a lot better than QW.

I have absolutely no issues if they are focusing certain things to MSFS2024. It’s time that I pay them for 4 years of enjoyment. 

Cheers,

Chen

Simbrief integration finally.  Biggest change for me.  Hopefully the 788 sees this soon

Edited August 10, 20232 yr by ErichB

18 minutes ago, silentghostx said:

I have absolutely no issues if they are focusing certain things to MSFS2024. It’s time that I pay them for 4 years of enjoyment. 

While you are basically right, you totally forget a fact in game development, especially considering successor releases: there will be bugs in MSFS2024 that were already solved for MSFS(2020). And this is simply annoying. I would have easily paid another 100$ for a full version upgrade if this would mean that MSFS2024 is not a standalone release but kind of a huge service pack for MSFS(2020) instead with the bigger chance that basic bugs are not simply included again. 

The 2024 version isn't out yet but people complain. Just let them cook. 2020 has been the best flight sim I have ever used and it wasn't even close.

Edited August 10, 20232 yr by suncoastflyer

1 hour ago, silentghostx said:

I don’t see a problem with that.

This version of FS was released in August 2020.

All the updates have been/are still free.
MS could have just said no more updates. Sim updates - nah. 
World updates - nah.

Yes sometimes things are broken. But at least they listen and still actively develop and aim to improve and engage with community.

Maybe I’m old, but I don’t get this community some days… there’s a lot of entitlement going on. 

Look at that 787 we got. Free! 
Missing somethings - yes. But I would say it’s on par if not better with QW787 back in the days (bar the VSD/FO PFD). The final updated version of QW787 doesn’t even expand the ILS loc scale when you’re on approach on P3D… the HUD is a beautiful recreation in MS and a lot better than QW.

I have absolutely no issues if they are focusing certain things to MSFS2024. It’s time that I pay them for 4 years of enjoyment. 

Cheers,

Chen

I do agree with most of your post, and MS / Asobo have been very generous, nobody can argue against that.

I think the thing is that people are worried about the lack of response on some well publicised bugs / issues in MSFS2020.
If they asked me "do you want a world update for the Pacific Islands and an excellent B787", I would say yes, of course, but I would rather you attend to the core sim first.

I would think a lot of core sim improvements to 2020 can be carried over to 2024, so it wouldn't be a waste.
Third party developers can do the scenery and aircraft, but they cannot attend to the core sim, that is the job of MS / Asobo and I really wish they would concentrate on that.
Fidelity (less CTD's and annoying issues), Performance Optimisations (fluidity is of FPS and better multi-threading), and core systems depth (including AI traffic and ATC etc.)

As it is the same team on MSFS2024, will this lack of response carry over to that platform?  That is my worry at least, not a lack of scenery and aircraft content.

PS.  I know there is an argument to say the scenery / aircraft developers are a different team, and that is true, but it is still up to MS / Asobo to deploy their resource, and I would have thought more people on the code of the core sim would be the most important.  Once we have a good framework they can hang all the bells and decorations on that they want after that.

Edited August 10, 20232 yr by bobcat999

30 minutes ago, silentghostx said:

I don’t see a problem with that.

This version of FS was released in August 2020.

All the updates have been/are still free.
MS could have just said no more updates. Sim updates - nah. 
World updates - nah.

Yes sometimes things are broken. But at least they listen and still actively develop and aim to improve and engage with community.

Maybe I’m old, but I don’t get this community some days… there’s a lot of entitlement going on. 

Look at that 787 we got. Free! 
Missing somethings - yes. But I would say it’s on par if not better with QW787 back in the days (bar the VSD/FO PFD). The final updated version of QW787 doesn’t even expand the ILS loc scale when you’re on approach on P3D… the HUD is a beautiful recreation in MS and a lot better than QW.

I have absolutely no issues if they are focusing certain things to MSFS2024. It’s time that I pay them for 4 years of enjoyment. 

Cheers,

Chen

Good for you then. I expect bugs to be fixed first. 

 

 

11 hours ago, virtuali said:

understand for some this update might sound "minor" in big features, but reliability and SDK improvements are really important in the long run. When something in the SDK improves, you might not see the impact immediately, but dozen of add-ons will be affected, and they'll work better in the end.

An user point of view : the best updates meet the demands of the users on one side and look deeper in the machinery for the future on the other side. Ideal blend. This one seems (cf release notes) not to address the outstanding bugs or deficiencies that the public has been begging for the correction for months.

8 minutes ago, AnkH said:

I would have easily paid another 100$ for a full version upgrade if this would mean that MSFS2024 is not a standalone release but kind of a huge service pack for MSFS(2020) instead

I agree and bet they would have done it but cannot. reason being is that MSFS2020 still uses FSX code (just for ATC eg) and if they REALLY want to fix and improve things they need to rewrite code of MSFS2020 for an even better MSFS2024 experience. But since MSFS20xx is server based and all users need to have the same version this meant that once MSFS2024 is out for 100 bucks, everybody MUST buy that "upgrade" and is forced to move to MSFS2024. that part will not work. thus a second platform. As long as I can eg just install MSFS2024 over my current MSFS2020 installation I am all fine. And even if I had to re-install my addons, well, most are from marketplace and then just 2 more sources like ORBX and ini. manageable.

6 hours ago, Marc Collins said:

As an engine nerd, I'm excited about the piston engine improvements. Developers will need to update their planes to use the new parameters, but if they do, there are some nice improvements: 

 

Excellent points ! But not only the 3PD have to update their aircraft, Asobo has too for the default stable.😉

1 hour ago, silentghostx said:

Yes sometimes things are broken. But at least they listen and still actively develop and aim to improve and engage with community.

But sometimes they don't, that's what's annoying, the shear amount of regression bugs and obvious severe lack of about Quality Control is there for all to see. Of course they have done great offering free updates, no one is denying that, but they clearly lack the mindset to produce a top quality product as they keep screwing up time & time again. That's where my frustration with them comes from, it's all about pretty things not the core of the product and Bob says so above.

Sure it's not all doom & gloom of course, many things with this Sim are fantastic, but to ignore the bigger picture is a dangerous precedent to set when a new title comes out that could well have the same long standing issues this one has.

Edited August 10, 20232 yr by MarcG

1 hour ago, Jeeeno said:

Basically an AAU3 disguised as SU. Utterly disappointing.

Now it's clear they are fully focused on that MS2024 and they will leave the 2020 to dust.

There's a number of really nice SDK improvements and additions here that are particularly useful for devs who make the products you use. Not every SU needs to directly affect the player for it to still benefit them. 

Not to mention a lot of things are fixed, how is that disappointing?

1 hour ago, Dominique_K said:

An user point of view : the best updates meet the demands of the users on one side and look deeper in the machinery for the future on the other side. Ideal blend.

There is genuinely no way to please some of you.

1 hour ago, Dominique_K said:

This one seems (cf release notes) not to address the outstanding bugs or deficiencies that the public has been begging for the correction for months.

These release notes don't directly confirm outstanding bugs aren't actively being worked on. It just confirms they haven't been fixed in time for this update. OTOH these release notes do come with various fixes that are appreciated none the less.

16 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

There is genuinely no way to please some of you.

These release notes don't directly confirm outstanding bugs aren't actively being worked on. It just confirms they haven't been fixed in time for this update. OTOH these release notes do come with various fixes that are appreciated none the less.

oh I am pleased but I could even be more pleased if they'd clean up this great  sim of ours 😄.  

As to know whether they work on the bugs and deficiencies so often signaled on all the MSFS forums , I have the weakness to pragmatically believe what they actually write and say and not extrapolate further. 

Edited August 10, 20232 yr by Dominique_K

1 hour ago, Lucky38i said:

These release notes don't directly confirm outstanding bugs aren't actively being worked on. It just confirms they haven't been fixed in time for this update. OTOH these release notes do come with various fixes that are appreciated none the less.

Come on Lucky!  You know simmers are a demanding bunch.    I think the vast majority are pleased and grateful, I know I am, but relating to the text I have changed to bold in your comment, a little bit of extra communication would be good.

Take for instance the tile swapping issue in the sim, which affects the visuals quite profoundly on the terrain (one of MSFS's biggest selling points).  Do you know then what is happening about this?  If so, please tell us, because there is not much communication on it from MS / Asobo other than 'logged', and it has been going on for quite some time.

If you don't see the frustration this can cause then I don't know what else to say.  

 

Edited August 10, 20232 yr by bobcat999