4 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

but at the same time the problem to make more and faster updates is still there

What are you on about? What is it with people incessant need for fast updates but then get upset when the updates themselves are lacking? Or better yet regressed and introduced new bugs? You can’t win I swear.

Fenix has been hunkering down for the better part of the year doing several rewrites to provide substantial updates and bug fixes and you find some way to complain about it. 
 

This is beyond frustrating to read. It’s word not allowed to the sleepless nights some of us devs put in debugging or working on that feature we’re so excited to bring to you but you’re annoyed cause it’s “not fast enough”

Edited September 27, 20232 yr by Lucky38i

2 hours ago, Lucky38i said:

What are you on about? What is it with people incessant need for fast updates but then get upset when the updates themselves are lacking? Or better yet regressed and introduced new bugs? You can’t win I swear.

Fenix has been hunkering down for the better part of the year doing several rewrites to provide substantial updates and bug fixes and you find some way to complain about it. 
 

This is beyond frustrating to read. It’s word not allowed to the sleepless nights some of us devs put in debugging or working on that feature we’re so excited to bring to you but you’re annoyed cause it’s “not fast enough”

I think a great idea for Avsim would be a sub forum called "Whiners". Posters that just like to whine, and complain just  about everything could post on that forum, and they would have a group of people that share their views and compliment everything they say . 😉

Wants faster updates that is where mistakes happen.
 

External engine coming next month.
 

Products are never going to be 100% bug free.

 

You complained so much on here before and the same in the discord you was helped but did not help yourself. It costs thousands to chuck out updates that is why Fenix are working to get a new installer out so it doesn’t cost as much and we get updates a little more than what we do now but that takes time so our licences do not get messed up. 
 

I say to people who think devs are doing wrong, why don’t you create an aircraft and see where you end up. So far every person asked has said they don’t want to. Is it because they can’t get a plane out within 2 years like people complain about etc. One guy on another site kept saying we won’t see 319/21 next year how wrong is he when it’s stated we get end of year start of next year. 
 

People really need to stop being so entitled 

3 hours ago, Lucky38i said:

What are you on about? What is it with people incessant need for fast updates but then get upset when the updates themselves are lacking? Or better yet regressed and introduced new bugs? You can’t win I swear.

Fenix has been hunkering down for the better part of the year doing several rewrites to provide substantial updates and bug fixes and you find some way to complain about it. 
 

This is beyond frustrating to read. It’s word not allowed to the sleepless nights some of us devs put in debugging or working on that feature we’re so excited to bring to you but you’re annoyed cause it’s “not fast enough”

I think that you are missing my previous messages about Flybywire as a good way to make their A320, opposed to PMDG and Fenix for publishing new airplanes without solve the problems of the old ones, not for their slowlyness. You cannot believe it, but I love FBW not because it's free, but for their work, please give a look to my previous messages.

53 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

Products are never going to be 100% bug free.

 

You complained so much on here before and the same in the discord you was helped but did not help yourself. It costs thousands to chuck out updates that is why Fenix are working to get a new installer out so it doesn’t cost as much and we get updates a little more than what we do now but that takes time so our licences do not get messed up. 
 

 

Completely agree, although I do have to laugh at the people slagging off a product that (in this case) they claim not to own, when actual type rated pilots are more than happy with it and say how good it is .. .. 

 

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1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

I think a great idea for Avsim would be a sub forum called "Whiners". Posters that just like to whine, and complain just  about everything could post on that forum, and they would have a group of people that share their views and compliment everything they say . 😉

How is your PMDG DC-6? I think it's not better than mine when you wrote in the other forum that you stopped to fly it because the bugs with the autopilot. If you are happy to have a not usable $60 payware, good for you.

Just now, Claudius_ said:

I think that you are missing my previous messages about Flybywire as a good way to make their A320, opposed to PMDG and Fenix for publishing new airplanes without solve the problems of the old ones, not for their slowlyness. You cannot believe it, but I love FBW not because it's free, but for their work, please give a look to my previous messages.

Let's talk about this for a minute. This isn't a knock against the FBW team

The FBW is missing:

- Missed Approach Procedures

- FInal_App Rnav

- Dual MCDUs.

- A correct cockpit. 

These needed updates close the gap on Fenix functionality. You can certainly work around them, but they are key missing components. 

Since February, the FMS-v2 has been reported as "soon." And again, a volunteer effort had different metrics and expectations than a commercial project.

The last handful of FBW updates have been smaller: new sounds, the crossbreed engine starts, etc.

The update to the Fenix last month V2Block1, fixed most of the outstanding issues with the Fenix, especially the crosswind and floating landings.

 

 

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

I think a great idea for Avsim would be a sub forum called "Whiners". Posters that just like to whine, and complain just  about everything could post on that forum, and they would have a group of people that share their views and compliment everything they say . 😉

There's already such a 'forum'. You can send them to your ignore-list. 

31 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

I think that you are missing my previous messages about Flybywire as a good way to make their A320, opposed to PMDG and Fenix for publishing new airplanes without solve the problems of the old ones, not for their slowlyness. You cannot believe it, but I love FBW not because it's free, but for their work, please give a look to my previous messages.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but what are you talking about?! What old plane has Fenix made, that has been neglected due to new publishings??? 

26 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

I think that you are missing my previous messages about Flybywire as a good way to make their A320, opposed to PMDG and Fenix for publishing new airplanes without solve the problems of the old ones, not for their slowlyness. You cannot believe it, but I love FBW not because it's free, but for their work, please give a look to my previous messages.

I have read your past messages. This also really doesn't have anything to do with FBW or PMDG bought you've brought them into the subject.

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I like the FBW A320 more because I can follow the dev and I can discuss with them any time, and we have updates almost every day, instead of to have big bugged ones every 6 months or more

Initially you were suggesting FBW and WT have a "evolved" level of development. That is essentially an alpha that is publicly accessed while they continue to refine the product until full release. I'm not sure why you'd want PMDG and Fenix to do that. They release relatively complete products then over time primarily release bug fixes, this is a very different style to what FBW and WT does and there's nothing wrong with that. what WT/FBW do certainly isn't an evolved or better way of doing things and more often than not Fenix and PMDG's approach is the preferred way, a mostly complete product upon initial sale.

To say that Block 2 update was a "big bugged one" is.. laughable to be honest. Describing the aircraft as "mushy" doesn't help anyone. I certainly wouldn't call it unfinished either. Does it have bugs? Yes, Have Fenix acknowledged and made statement to fix said bugs? Yes. So what exactly is the problem here? You want them to fix it faster but that's easier said than done.

What core portions of an Airbus A320 are missing in the Fenix A320 that would deem it unfinished?

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But I'm afraid that they are following the same PMDG way, where they want sell more " new products" and so few updates for the ones that are already in the "market" (see the DC-6 saga).

You're very entitled to argue PMDG's treatment of the DC6 however that's an entirely different matter an unrelated to this forum post. In one of your previous post your suggesting that Fenix is somehow following along the path of PMDG with the DC6. I have to ask, how did you interpret that while also acknowledging that the devs are present and happy to assist while also posting updates on upcoming bugfixes and features. How is any of Fenix's behaviour something that can be interpreted, "as standby "product" that remain the same for years"

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I hate this sort of marketing, when a dev knows perfectly that can't finish their work in a specific date.

What Aamir did here wasn't marketing, it's communication, they've communicated to their audience that an upcoming update, containing rewrites and bug fixes, is delayed to ensure said update has as little or no regressions as possible for you, the end user. How are you upset that the dev has realised an issue with their upcoming update and rather than release it with bugs, decides to delay it to ensure you have a frustration-free experience?

8 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

What Aamir did here wasn't marketing, it's communication, they've communicated to their audience that an upcoming update, containing rewrites and bug fixes, is delayed to ensure said update has as little or no regressions as possible for you, the end user. How are you upset that the dev has realised an issue with their upcoming update and rather than release it with bugs, decides to delay it to ensure you have a frustration-free experience?

Exactly this easier to bug fix CFM & IAE at the same time while shifting to finish the 319/21 what do people not understand.

45 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

 

Initially you were suggesting FBW and WT have a "evolved" level of development.

 

Yes, this resumes my concept completely, and I like it because the FBW A320 is updated regularly every week and I can follow the development. Regarding PMDG and Fenix I don't have anything else to discuss with you on this topic, read this forum where you can find a lot of concerns about PMDG and Fenix.

Just a question: are you part of the FBW dev team, right?

Edited September 27, 20232 yr by Claudius_

52 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

Yes, this resumes my concept completely, and I like it because the FBW A320 is updated regularly every week and I can follow the development.

This is unrealistic, FBW and something like Fenix are in two completetly different development lifecycles. FBW is in Alpha, an in-complete state. Fenix is in the release state, where what follows is revisions and bug fixes. There's nothing to follow with Fenix because there isn't a lot more to really add to the aircraft, just bugfixes and revisions now. I already explained this and how trying to suggest that PMDG and Fenix do this is not tangible.

Is the focus here about what just you want, without perspective of the developers themselves?

 

55 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

Regarding PMDG and Fenix I don't have anything else to discuss with you on this topic, read this forum where you can find a lot of concerns about PMDG and Fenix.

Fine, completetly gloss over any questions I asked or what I said. I did ask what was unfinished about Fenix, but I guess you can ignore that.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Claudius_ said:

Yes, this resumes my concept completely, and I like it because the FBW A320 is updated regularly every week and I can follow the development. Regarding PMDG and Fenix I don't have anything else to discuss with you on this topic, read this forum where you can find a lot of concerns about PMDG and Fenix.

Just a question: are you part of the FBW dev team, right?

If I were you. I would just stick to flying with FBW, and forget about any other aircraft. 

Just want to clarify. Is A320 Block 2 including both CFM and IAE engines and sharklets FREE for current customers of A320 Block 1?

1 hour ago, Vitold69 said:

Just want to clarify. Is A320 Block 2 including both CFM and IAE engines and sharklets FREE for current customers of A320 Block 1?

It's the CFM and IAE external engine models, new visual model (external and cabin? not sure about cockpit), new EFB, and possibly more I am forgetting. Sharklets is not until some time in 2024. And yes all free.