12 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

How do you know that? And what do you know about study level planes? LOL

I think what he wanted to say that MS/Asobo isn't interested in developing in-depth SDK for complex planes as it requires a lot of investment/time in exchange for very obscure future results. Look at their ATC/Traffic SDK - it's still on FSX level and obviously worse that any of P3D iterations. 

Edited November 27, 20232 yr by G-YMML1

3 minutes ago, G-YMML1 said:

I think what he wanted to say that MS/Asobo isn't interested in developing in-depth SDK for complex planes as it requires a lot of investment/time in exchange for very obscure future results. Look at their ATC/Traffic SDK - it's still on FSX level and obviously worse that any of P3D iterations. 

No I don't think he want to say anything. I think he want to troll.

As you probably know ATC has nothing to do with study level airplane. There are no known ATC programs in industry that train pilots. ATC in sims purely for entertaining value. Our next hope for AI LOL

28 minutes ago, G-YMML1 said:

isn't interested in developing in-depth SDK for complex planes

And yet, third parties are still making them.

41 minutes ago, G-YMML1 said:

I think what he wanted to say that MS/Asobo isn't interested in developing in-depth SDK for complex planes as it requires a lot of investment/time in exchange for very obscure future results.

Who knows what this guy is meaning to say (sounds like a whole lot of gibberish), but re: MS/Asobo not being interested in developing in-depth SDK for complex planes.. that couldn't be further from the truth, obviously given the plethora of complex airliners, GA, helis, etc we now have from all the major devs. And MS/Asobo plan to keep improving the aircraft developing experience along with SKD/tools, for example the ability to define aircraft geometry more precisely: https://youtu.be/VPhScg_FINE?t=666 (this has been a much requested feature from aircraft devs)
 

Edited November 27, 20232 yr by lwt1971

I am getting my flame suite on since what I will say will probably be somewhat controversial.  I really appreciate Fenix's attempt to create absolute perfection for us to all enjoy and I am confident they will eventually get there despite Asobo's lack of direct cooperation on what seems to be somewhat minor issues.  However from a business stand point Fenix likely needs to generate revenue to keep the development engine going.  

The current version of the A320 is very good.  Its one of the best planes you can currently fly in MSFS hands down even in its current state.  I say release the A319 and A321 in the current state that the A320 is in and bring in that holiday revenue.  Of coarse like always things can be updated as time goes on when new features can be implemented.  Same can be said for the IAE engines and eventually the Sharklets. 

Of coarse this may likely be difficult since the A319 and A321 prototype models are likely already v2 but reworking them into the existing model range would likely take less time then shelving them and waiting for a fix from Asobo.  Of coarse being a critic to my own thoughts doing so will likely take time away from moving forward on V2.  So really its up to Fenix to decide the proper coarse of action but just want to provide food for thought!

        

26 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

And yet, third parties are still making them.

Fenix is the only genuine MSFS commercial study level airliner we have after 3 years (TFSI MD11 would follow soon). PMDG is a P3D port and it's still lacking some features it had in P3D, WXR for instance. We'll see what IB would bring, but I don't hold my breath. FBW is a good and honest attempt (and I'm flying it occasionally)...but I won't say a word, since it's freeware 🙂 

I'm not criticizing, i'm happy MSFS camper for now. What I'm trying to say is that we just totally forgot how good FSLabs AXX series was in P3D 🙂 

Edited November 27, 20232 yr by G-YMML1

9 minutes ago, G-YMML1 said:

WXR for instance

Not a big fan of PMDG, but this is a problem for any high fidelity payware airliner developer in MSFS.
Fenix, TFDi, FSL, PMDG, whomever. The issue is the lack of tilt function capability in what Asobo has created in their WXR. 

6 minutes ago, longhaul747 said:

since the A319 and A321 prototype models are likely already v2

They never been v1 I believe. Nobody knows their current status. Nobody outside of the Fenix I mean. 

There is another food for thought. They have taken some processes out of the Sim for better crc protection not to have additional functions Asobo can't provide. Tell me what Fenix can do PMDG 737 can't? The PMDG works inside Sim fully. So it was a risky decision and it's time for payback. 

All in all, doesn’t seem like anything from Fenix until 2024 given the aforementioned problems with the SDK. I guess the whole of their release schedule for winglets, etc… will slide quite significantly into the future. 

11 minutes ago, B777ER said:

All in all, doesn’t seem like anything from Fenix until 2024 given the aforementioned problems with the SDK. I guess the whole of their release schedule for winglets, etc… will slide quite significantly into the future. 

Yep, it's a bummer but it is what it is and will be worth the wait. Who knows, maybe FSL will finally release their line for MSFS in the meantime.  

Edited November 27, 20232 yr by chapstick

35 minutes ago, B777ER said:

All in all, doesn’t seem like anything from Fenix until 2024 given the aforementioned problems with the SDK.

So it's one particular issue with shaders that was introduced recently as part of SDK changes, but that that one issue is apparently impacting various visual improvement features Fenix had in plan and had started working on for V2 Block2 (at least that's how I read Aamir's statement). Aamir thinks it might just need a few lines of code fixes from Asobo but I guess the question is how they/we can get Asobo to prioritize that. I don't mind the planned visual upgrades getting delayed given all the other great stuff planned for Fenix Block2 (i.e. new custom engine model, IAE, EFB v2, etc), but I guess due to them having to back out code changes, that's going to cause the delay past end-of-year likely.
 

Edited November 27, 20232 yr by lwt1971

31 minutes ago, G-YMML1 said:

Fenix is the only genuine MSFS commercial study level airliner we have after 3 years (TFSI MD11 would follow soon). PMDG is a P3D port and it's still lacking some features it had in P3D, WXR for instance. We'll see what IB would bring, but I don't hold my breath. FBW is a good and honest attempt (and I'm flying it occasionally)...but I won't say a word, since it's freeware 🙂 

I'm not criticizing, i'm happy MSFS camper for now. What I'm trying to say is that we just totally forgot how good FSLabs AXX series was in P3D 🙂 

I have a few hundred hours in the Fenix and one day I realized that it is the most boring aircraft in  any sim I have owned in the last three decades to fly.. You sit in the flight deck, watching the A320 fly itself. It looks nice, has some nice features, but really hard to stay awake flying it.  The PMDG 737, is much more of a challenge to fly, and lately I am flying the DC6 which really gets your attention. 

40 minutes ago, G-YMML1 said:

Fenix is the only genuine MSFS commercial study level airliner we have after 3 years

I don’t want to be pedantic but even Fenix still had a base to work from (even though fenix at this point has heavily heavily modified that base). We still don’t have a ‘from the ground-up’ modern airliner for MSFS. JustFlight’s F28 comes to mind but that’s not a modern airliner. There’s a lot of ‘from the ground up’ in the works but nothing our hands yet unfortunately.

Do remember FSL was roughly a 7 year endeavour. The current state of things isn’t really surprising. If anything, the state of things are pretty good in wholly because devs are porting or have a base to work with that allows us to have really high fidelity aircraft even though we’re 3 years down the line.

34 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

Not a big fan of PMDG, but this is a problem for any high fidelity payware airliner developer in MSFS.
Fenix, TFDi, FSL, PMDG, whomever. The issue is the lack of tilt function capability in what Asobo has created in their WXR. 

Tilt function exist, check out the NEXRAD equipped aircraft. Devs want data not a weather radar. Most devs already have some kind of weather radar, they just want data to feed it

Sounds like the issue with providing the data is because of live weather being from a third party.