1 hour ago, bendead said:

Their answer about historical weather could not be more confusing.

I don't see how is that complex, it's storing the previous 24h on the server, then playback/stream data from set time offset and X/Y/Z position 

2 guys coding ActiveSky did it and Microsoft can’t. Disappointing. 

1 hour ago, Tuskin38 said:

They look fine to me

Your more than welcome to come and fly my sim anytime. I can certainly guarantee you wont be leaving saying thay look fine to me.

Edited December 1, 20232 yr by Garys

1 hour ago, Garys said:

Your more than welcome to come and fly my sim anytime. I can certainly guarantee you wont be leaving saying thay look fine to me.

What's wrong with these clouds?

https://imgur.com/a/qE3q0PY

3 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

They look fine to me

Everything looks fine to you. Check them out in 5120x1440 and then let's have a chat.

The clouds are great/rubbish debate will never go away!

6 hours ago, chapstick said:

2 guys coding ActiveSky did it and Microsoft can’t. Disappointing. 

8 hours ago, bendead said:

Their answer about historical weather could not be more confusing.

I don't see how is that complex, it's storing the previous 24h on the server, then playback/stream data from set time offset and X/Y/Z position 

They showed a lot confusion themselves. There were rolling eyes and stammering all over when they talked about historical weather.

When Jorg mentioned they thought about it in regard to historic missions he just proved that he still does not understand the concept of historical weather and still confuses it with historic weather.

This is not about Charles Lindbergh encountering icing in 1927. This is about plausible weather for the time of day and time of year you set in the sim. And not the freezing night temperatures at noon or the snow covers in summer as it is now with live weather.

Their ignorance is just stunning.

I think it is safe to say we will never see any kind of historical weather in any iteration of MSFS as long as these guys are in charge.

 

Edited December 1, 20232 yr by RALF9636

11 minutes ago, RALF9636 said:

They showed a lot confusion themselves. There were rolling eyes and stammering all over when they talked about historical weather.

When Jorg mentioned they thought about it in regard to historic missions he just proved that he still does not understand the concept of historical weather and still confuses it with historic weather.

This is not about Charles Lindbergh encounering icing in 1927. This is about plausible weather for the time of day and time of year you set in the sim. And not the freezing night temperatures at noon or the snow covers in summer as it is now with live weather.

Their ignorance is just stunning.

I think it is safe to say we will never see any kind of historical weather in any iteration of MSFS as long as these guys are in charge.

 

"Yeah, so with the current system that we’ve got, we’ve got a weather structure that has been prepared to collect and distribute the weather from our partners, and it has some specifications. It might be complicated to take whatever kind of data and ingest that into our systems to have proper weather and company. So, is that what you wanted me to say?

I think so. I mean, I think there’s the design effort around that, but then there’s also… probably not what you’re really on about, but Microsoft has a relationship with a company called VESTAS. They have something called the VESTAS Climate Database, and we looked at this a fair bit. The issue is that they don’t have worldwide weather. It doesn’t really fit into our system. So, I don’t think this is going to come soon, unfortunately. Flight is going to continue to evolve for many years. I’m not saying we’re never going to do this, but this is not easy, and it’s not the longer term. Maybe I’ll go even further. Back in the day, we tried to make historical missions, right? Famous flights that ran into icing or something, and we couldn’t really do that. Sometimes we said, “Wouldn’t it be nice to have historical weather?” It’s really hard. So, I think it’s just be patient. We’ll figure it out at some point, but not soon. Cool. Thank you."

 

 

He kind of started to talk about it but then drifted off about historical missions as you say, I do agree with you in that I don't think he fully understands what we mean even though the question blatantly asked about 12-24hour historic weather. Either way they've looked into something and nothing is gonna happen anytime soon, so unless they open up the weather API so third parties can do it (which they'll probably never do) then we'll never get what we're asking for here unfortunately.

Edited December 1, 20232 yr by MarcG

The best news for me is that they finally found the reason for the tiles popping/ swapping. Apparently it wasn’t that easy to find, but the way Jörg described it, I doesn’t seem to be too difficult to solve the problem, so I hope that we see this fixed soon.

1 hour ago, RALF9636 said:

he still does not understand the concept of historical weather and still confuses it with historic weather.

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I think it is safe to say we will never see any kind of historical weather in any iteration of MSFS as long as these guys are in charge.

Sadly this lack of "knowledge" or completely miss the point of the raised issue is one of the constants in all Q&A dev streams since release. For many, many issues I got the impression that the devs have basically no clue what the community is talking about. Bummer...

9 hours ago, bendead said:

I don't see how is that complex, it's storing the previous 24h on the server, then playback/stream data from set time offset and X/Y/Z position 

They mentioned one of the things that make it complex in the ATC session. What would you do with live traffic coming in now on the opposite runway direction you want to take off because the wind has changed?

Another thing that makes it complex for MSFS is that the position of every single cloud is synced between all running instances (for multiplayers). By this alone historical weather becomes very complex.

Edited December 1, 20232 yr by fsiscool

 

1 hour ago, RALF9636 said:

And not the freezing night temperatures at noon or the snow covers in summer as it is now with live weather.

Their ignorance is just stunning.

How does 24 historical weather help with snow cover in summer? And what's wrong with snow in the summer?

1 minute ago, fsiscool said:

How does 24 historical weather help with snow cover in summer? And what's wrong with snow in the summer?

What is wrong with snow in summer? A lot, especially if real world weather reads 20°C outside temperature and the sim depicts snow on the ground... But I agree, this is an entirely different issue, but the freezing temperatures at noon is not. E.g. you only manage to fly at 8 p.m. local time but you do not want to fly in the dark, you switch the time in the sim to afternoon, yet the live weather will still show you the weather (and temperatures) from 8 p.m. of course. Especially during autumn or spring time in the northern hemisphere, the temperature difference might then be quiet dramatic...

8 minutes ago, fsiscool said:

They mentioned one of the things that make it complex in the ATC session. What would you do with live traffic coming in now on the opposite runway direction you want to take off?

Another thing that makes it complex for MSFS is that the position of every single cloud is synced between all running instances (for multiplayers). By this alone historical weather becomes very complex.

Well, if you can record the previous 24h of weather and stream it, why not applying the same thing to the live traffic.

I don't see the issue with multiplayer, if it working live, why wouldn't it be working with an offset, the client will be synced anyway.

 

41 minutes ago, bendead said:

Well, if you can record the previous 24h of weather and stream it, why not applying the same thing to the live traffic.

I don't see the issue with multiplayer, if it working live, why wouldn't it be working with an offset, the client will be synced anyway.

 

I'd think the problem with recording 24hours worth of world wide weather would be the sheer size of the file needed to create it, same would go for air traffic. That's a helluva lot of information/data to save either server side or locally, one way around that is if the user could specify a specific fight plan or area to save details within a set radius or something. That way it'll be much less data needed to record.

Ultimately though, as said above, Jorg doesn't seem too fussed about this feature so it's not gonna happen either way.

 

While I applaud their vision for MSFS2020 and the upcoming 2024, I am stunned by their misunderstanding of some of the long term problems.  Do they really think the tiling issues were limited to just Malta?    The forums (including the official one) are just littered with observations.  And like stated above, they completely misunderstand the "historic' weather issue.

And we got the constant "we will look into it" answers for issues that have been going on for some time.  I doubt if they ever read the forums at all judging by this, they just get the community managers to gist it for them and a lot must be lost in translation.

While some of the future aspects they are working on look quite positive (who else thought MSFS suspension was a bit stiff?  I thought it was obvious), but their lack of understanding and progress on some of the older issues was very disappointing to me.  The planes still change direction with rudder use on the runway like an arcade game.  Very little inertia.  hopefully the suspension mods may help, but I think the problems in the code are deeper than that on crosswind response and ground friction maybe.

Another example, for SU15, I would like to see some progress on static aircraft sitting two feet above the ground or spinning on their roofs!  what use is better lighting if you are faced with that after you land.  Surely they must see these issues.

Edited December 1, 20232 yr by bobcat999