5 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion is one of the few RPG games that I've completed. Absolutely loved it, and the theme music still gives me goosebumps! 

 

Hey, good to see you’re still a member here. Hope all is well with you. 

As an aside, I’ve been playing a lot of Starfield lately. It’s an amazing game. Bethesda makes good engaging games that are infinitely modable. I just wish they made flying your space ship down to the planet surface a thing in Starfield… would have been cool to have a bit of space ship flight sim in there. 🙂

Edited November 14, 20241 yr by Virtual-Chris

1 hour ago, Virtual-Chris said:

I asked in the original post, if any enhancements had been made to ATC in the last year that I’ve been away, and were now on page 6 and no one has mentioned anything. Please share. Have they addressed some of the key issues?

ps.. not sure what I’ve done to deserve such a snarky response. I’m sorry if I’ve offended you or anyone else. I’m just not happy with MS priorities. We can agree to disagree on that. Peace!

And most of us told you that no, there haven't been any significant enhancements made to ATC in the last year in game. But we also told you that there are a lot of good ATC add-ons now that do what you want, albeit, you have to spend a little extra money to buy them.  BeyondATC is $30 USD while SayIntentions.ai requires a monthly subscription.

But you keep complaining about poor ATC within MSFS, while there good alternatives out there.

It's like somebody keeps complaining about the really bad default Asobo A320 that came with MSFS back in 2020 while ignoring there is the Fenix A320 out there.  Yes, the default Asobo A320 that comes with MSFS (not the iniBuilds A320, but the original Asobo A320) is really bad.  But if you are willing to spend some money, you can get the Fenix A320 which is so much better. And yet you keep complaining about the default Asobo A320 and how bad it is, even when many people keep telling you to just use the Fenix A320. This is what you are doing.

Edited November 14, 20241 yr by abrams_tank

7 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion is one of the few RPG games that I've completed.

OT: bummer, because the successor, Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, was better by margins. Not to speak of The Witcher 3 plus expansions if you are ready for a really, really (!) good RPG 😉 

8 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

Yes, but LNM doesn't read the airport files on the fly, you need to generate the database everytime an airport it added/updated. So if you don't have it downloaded/streamed already you wouldn't be able to do any planning.

Perhaps airport data is part of the install and permanently stored, and it's only the textures and other fluff that is streamed?

3 hours ago, Virtual-Chris said:

I asked in the original post, if any enhancements had been made to ATC in the last year that I’ve been away, and were now on page 6 and no one has mentioned anything. Please share. Have they addressed some of the key issues?

ps.. not sure what I’ve done to deserve such a snarky response. I’m sorry if I’ve offended you or anyone else. I’m just not happy with MS priorities. We can agree to disagree on that. Peace!

I think's it because there is very little to mention, I'm still pining for Radar Contact, can't they release the source code or something...

12 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

And most of us told you that no, there haven't been any significant enhancements made to ATC in the last year in game. But we also told you that there are a lot of good ATC add-ons now that do what you want, albeit, you have to spend a little extra money to buy them.  BeyondATC is $30 USD while SayIntentions.ai requires a monthly subscription.

But you keep complaining about poor ATC within MSFS, while there good alternatives out there.

It's like somebody keeps complaining about the really bad default Asobo A320 that came with MSFS back in 2020 while ignoring there is the Fenix A320 out there.  Yes, the default Asobo A320 that comes with MSFS (not the iniBuilds A320, but the original Asobo A320) is really bad.  But if you are willing to spend some money, you can get the Fenix A320 which is so much better. And yet you keep complaining about the default Asobo A320 and how bad it is, even when many people keep telling you to just use the Fenix A320. This is what you are doing.

Yes. That’s perhaps a good analogy. But if someone feels that MS should be investing in a better default aircraft there’s nothing wrong with that… and if they want to share their views and frustration… thats fine.  I’m not sure why you and a few others are so in a knot about it. You’re happy with MS priority choices, and what you have to mod, and I’m not. 

16 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said:

Yes. That’s perhaps a good analogy. But if someone feels that MS should be investing in a better default aircraft there’s nothing wrong with that… and if they want to share their views and frustration… thats fine.  I’m not sure why you and a few others are so in a knot about it. You’re happy with MS priority choices, and what you have to mod, and I’m not. 

If you are that unhappy, maybe you should find another hobby.😉

14 hours ago, Virtual-Chris said:

I asked in the original post, if any enhancements had been made to ATC in the last year that I’ve been away, and were now on page 6 and no one has mentioned anything. Please share. Have they addressed some of the key issues?

ps.. not sure what I’ve done to deserve such a snarky response. I’m sorry if I’ve offended you or anyone else. I’m just not happy with MS priorities. We can agree to disagree on that. Peace!

The last time there was a significant update to ATC (there have been smaller ones afterward) was in December 2023. https://www.flightsimulator.com/sim-update-14/

Again, "completely ignored" is hyperbole at best.

It boils down to the fact that ATC is incredibly complex when you have to apply it to tens of thousands of airports. It's on their roadmap, but things don't make themselves. Their engineering priorities have been in the improvement of the avionics, which IMHO are just a tad more relevant and a bigger priority than ATC. 

As a result, MSFS and by extension, MSFS 2024 has the best default avionics on the market, and not by a small margin. 

Edited November 14, 20241 yr by Abriael

46 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

If you are that unhappy, maybe you should find another hobby.😉

This community is so much fun. 😆

22 hours ago, flyingscampi said:

I think's it because there is very little to mention, I'm still pining for Radar Contact, can't they release the source code or something...

It was John Decker’s decision not to. A pity but that ship has long sailed. There is no rule that says you can only have one sim installed.

11 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

It was John Decker’s decision not to. A pity but that ship has long sailed. There is no rule that says you can only have one sim installed.

Thanks for letting me know.

I just about manage to "look after" one sim, I don't think I could manage two!

59 minutes ago, flyingscampi said:

Thanks for letting me know.

I just about manage to "look after" one sim, I don't think I could manage two!

I manage THREE right now lol. That S:SIM drive is for sure earning its keep! 

It's why I'm not rushing to get 2024, but that's a different topic 😁

1 hour ago, flyingscampi said:

I just about manage to "look after" one sim, I don't think I could manage two!

I had P3Dv3 for years just for the 32-bit FSL Concorde as well as v4 and then v5. Now I have a 64-bit Concorde for v5 that is my only sim.

It wasn’t difficult having the two as v3 was a minimalist version with just a few major airports. But having two completely different sims does require you to be knowledgeable with both which can be challenging especially with one having regular updates.

On 11/14/2024 at 12:25 AM, Virtual-Chris said:

I asked in the original post, if any enhancements had been made to ATC in the last year that I’ve been away, and were now on page 6 and no one has mentioned anything.

Since launch some minor changes seems to have happened but I don't think anything in the past year.  As said it's always been in basically 'placeholder' status.  I'd bet $$ we'll see it improved and likely using generative AI based on captured air traffic control communications as we move forward.  Apparently there was too much going on to develop and release the MASSIVE UPDATE that is MSFS 2024 to do ATC enhancement justice.

Edited November 15, 20241 yr by Noel

5 minutes ago, Noel said:

Apparently there was too much going on to develop and release the MASSIVE UPDATE that is MSFS 2024 to do ATC enhancement justice.

Specifically it was the flight planner they wanted to get right first.

2024 (talking about this current year, not the upcoming sim 😉 ) has been my ATC-year. It was all about ATC for me. I've been using (and specially testing) FSHud and BATC all the time. MSFS2020 was more of an ATC-testing-sim than a flying sim.

I noticed my views on ATC, what I wanted from it, constantly changed. At one moment I wanted it to control all traffic, at another moment I wanted it to have realistic voices, then I wanted it to control me better (vectoring) and a few weeks later I wanted it so shut the word not allowed up because I got tired of it constanly talking to other planes. At this very moment I am even considering starting MSFS2024 without any ATC addons and keep it simply to default... because I somehow got very tired of my own focus on ATC. Of course I know that limiting myself to default ATC won't last long and I probably start using BATC again... even though it feels way too scripted for me (which is my current pet peeve).

We all have different views on what ATC needs to do and what is (a) good ATC (addon). And I am sure we all experience a change of view on ATC every now and then, like I did this year. ATC is extremely hard to simulate well, as we all know by now, and what makes it even harder is all the various wishes and preferences we have. The developers probably will never be able to satisfy everyone.

In the end I think we all should be happy MSFS2020 led to various developers giving it a shot and we now have various quite good ATC options. Pick the one you like the most. No need to convince others which is the best because that's utterly useless. There isn't one which is the best for everyone and I doubt there ever will be one.