On 12/11/2024 at 12:21 AM, flightsim1818 said:

This should have been a go-around by Asobo but Microsoft is paying for the fuel.

Minimums...continue!

They spent so much time advertising the release date. And want to sell during Christmas preseason. So it was released. The last update (3) had 250 changes, LOL.

New MSFS 2024 user (1 week)

Using a Quest3, Sidequest : Level4 - 2048 - 120Hz, and Virtualdesktop.
No issue.
Using a core I9, 64Gb ram, Rtx4080 and NVMe discs. Windows 11 24H2.

But I did an IFR flight from a small airport.
I will try FS2024 VR later when my controller will be fully configured.

On 11/25/2024 at 2:47 PM, FakeWayne said:

Honestly

Especially the mouse bug.  I just don't understand how on earth the sim ships with that bug.  It's infuriating. 

Yeah that mouse bug is really annoying, but, guess what, I had the same bug in 2020. So nothing really new for me, have worked around it for years now…Though it should have  been fixed years ago, but it is what it is…:(

In 2020 I fixed it with using windows key, in 2024 im tapping ESC key twice to get the clickspots back… that fixes one mouse bug.  The other mouse bug I never found a solution for in 2020 and 2024, you know the one when the mouse becomes laggy and almost unusable..

Edited January 3, 20251 yr by Kaboki

In 2D I'm happy with 2024 for the most part (seems to eat ram and vram for breakfast though).

In VR even with my 12700K / 4080 it's just not really doable.  I've got a reverb G2.  They need to work on optimization badly.

I have a low end rig (see sig). Quest 3 + MSFS 2020 wasn't doable for me either. MSFS on my desktop however works very well. Currently enjoying other VR titles.

I am not a really committed flight simmer. Neither am I casual gamer. I fall somewhere in the middle category, in the dark damp winter evenings I use the sim quite a lot but in the summer months I have other things to do.......Why am I telling you this? .........It's about how much people are willing to invest in this hobby, investment in time and money.

Quest 3 £400 +
PC needed £1500-3000 (guess)
Virtual Desktop £18
Dedicated router £60 (guess)
Decent joystick ??
Prescription lenses ???

Other obstacles apart from the cash:
Hours needed to wade through the black art of tweaking these things
Family pressures (variable depending on you circumstances)
Physiological impact (nausea (depending on your resistance to it)) Do you wear glasses???
Psychological factors (Variable. Not everyone feels safe being cut off from the outside world for extended periods)

I guess Microsoft et al now know that VR headsets are always going to have a very limited market hence the poor support, commitment and optimization from the major players. They know what the market is now....is it worth the effort for them.......remember 3D TV's 😂

Always a niche within a niche.
 

 

Edited January 8, 20251 yr by GaryK
clarity

5 hours ago, GaryK said:

I guess Microsoft et al now know that VR headsets are always going to have a very limited market hence the poor support, commitment and optimization from the major players. They know what the market is now....is it worth the effort for them.......remember 3D TV's 😂

Always a niche within a niche.

I think this is the truth. The XR Toolkit developer mentioned that at present there is not a single software engineer in Asobo dedicated to VR. There used to be two. 

I almost wish that MSFS decides to charge say $50 extra for enabling VR feature. Even if only 10,000 players pay for it, that's half million $$ and enough for Asobo to hire one or two dedicated VR developers. I'll be happy to pay $50 extra, really a pocket change comparing to the cost of decent VR hardware, as long as Asobo keeps developing and optimizing the VR experience in MSFS.

Its a sad state of affairs really, seeing as they have officially partnered with Pimax... i wonder what was the point of it all?

Im happy tinkering in 2D at present and setting up things for that... now to get my streamdeck....

Ill jump back in to VR soon enough when it becomes a little more stable

Strange... I just hopped into my Quest 3 and had a quick flight, and it all seemed pretty good except for the known thing about clicking the efb, etc....

3 hours ago, HiFlyer said:

Strange... I just hopped into my Quest 3 and had a quick flight, and it all seemed pretty good except for the known thing about clicking the efb, etc....

It's not saying 2024 VR is not playable, but the performance penalty is hard to swallow, especially comparing to 2020. Yes, I can reach decent fps by keep reducing the rendering quality and pixels, but that's not the way it should be. 

Anyway, my new year's solution is ... get a freaking 5090! Wish me good luck with those brutal scalpers.. 

9 minutes ago, FlyIce said:

It's not saying 2024 VR is not playable, but the performance penalty is hard to swallow, especially comparing to 2020. Yes, I can reach decent fps by keep reducing the rendering quality and pixels, but that's not the way it should be. 

Anyway, my new year's solution is ... get a freaking 5090! Wish me good luck with those brutal scalpers.. 

The scalpers got pretty burned when mining crashed; perhaps they'll be a bit more cautious, and not try to blindly scoop up everything that's not nailed down, this time.

a question none of the usual reviewer suspects has asked: what exactly does $ 2.000 RTX 5000 MultiFrameGeneration do for We, the VR people? So we asked Phem: how does MFG increase fps, reduce stutters and improve frame times in VR? 

in two words:😀

 

4 hours ago, FlyIce said:

Anyway, my new year's solution is ... get a freaking 5090!

MSFS is not Cyberpunk. considering only an estimated average 30% rasterisation performance increase in VR over the 4090, which might boil down to even less in MSFS, I won't be spending another $ 2.000 when I am getting already 40-50 fps with my 4090, with DLSS 3.8 at Quality setting and most VR settings in MSFS 2024 to HIGH or MAX. if they supported FrameGeneration where it is needed most, in VR @ 8K resolutions, that would be a different story alltogether.

..................................

Nvidia FOOLED Everyone! RTX 50 Series Isn’t What You Think! 5070=4090, DLSS4, PRICING

at 12:30 time stamp

 

11:40 time stamp   - 30% rasterisation increase

 

Edited January 9, 20251 yr by turbomax

I know they lied about 50xx performance increase, but frankly I probably need just that 30% increase to pull my VR in 2024 over the edge by gaining that extra precious 10+ fps.

And I'll sell my 4090 so I can keep one of my kidneys safe from the merciless scalpers ... 😝

impatiently waiting for your honest prompt feedback on January 31st re. VR performance incrrease. fortunately you already have the best CPU to feed the 5090. I would wait for the 5090 results before selling the 4090, I assume you could always resell the 5090 should you not be satisfied. the saddest thing about FrameGen, let alone MultiFrameGen is, it does absolutely nothing for VR. as you said you might end up paying $ 2.000 for an extra 10 fps, i.e. $ 200 per fps. you'll have to really enjoy everyone of them individually and know them by their first name. 😄

my only hope therefore remains DLSS 4. for those who play mostly Cyberpunk that is a different story altogether.

Edited January 9, 20251 yr by turbomax

29 minutes ago, turbomax said:

impatiently waiting for your honest prompt feedback on January 31st

I have absolutely no illusion that I can get my hands on a 5090 on Jan 31st, have to wait and see how the market actually goes. Both 3090 and 4090 had been out of stocks for months and years since their releases, forcing me to go be at the mercy of scalpers ...   

32 minutes ago, turbomax said:

end up paying $ 2.000 for an extra 10 fps, i.e. $ 200 per fps. you'll have to really enjoy everyone of them individually and know them by their first name. 😄

If I sell my 4090 for $1000, it'll be $100/fps - so I only need to know each frame by their last name which will be the same as mine as I own all of them ... 🙃