It seems to me that many of the current objections to MSFS2024 are largely based on the lack of user options. I have never understood why any major sim developer would not allow the user as many options as possible. The classic example of this is way back in FSX when cockpit lighting would only switch on between the hours of dusk and dawn and could not be over-ridden at least for default aircraft. This kind of control freakery is probably based on sincere efforts to bring a so-called authentic experience, but the compulsory lights off/on in FSX was really very silly as it wasn't even authentic.

If you extend this to FS2024 you realise that many of the reported frustrations are indeed about the lack of user options. If you really want to control how a user starts up the sim and take it to its full absurdity then you might as well require each flight to start with reporting to a virtual FBO, signing off the pilot, filling in the paper work, submitting one's log book to a rental FBO, checking the fuel is not contaminated with water, checking the oil levels, and all the other things you might do in a real flight preparation. Or preferably just GIVE THE USER OPTIONS.

As to the sim itself, it is extraordinary that Asobo did not think it through that hundreds of thousands of users will want to at least download their favourite aircraft, and many will want access to config files so they can personally adjust flight models, livery colours, and a host of other personalised things. I simply do not understand the mindset that wants to control how people fly. The more options you offer, the more satisfied the user will be. It's no good adding these as a reluctant afterthought as a response to pressure from users. It should have been thought through right from the beginning, and the ridiculous thing is that it is so easy to implement.

So what would persuade me and many others to buy this sim is to be given as many user options as possible. It costs Asobo/Microsoft nothing to do so.

 

26 minutes ago, robert young said:

As to the sim itself, it is extraordinary that Asobo did not think it through that hundreds of thousands of users will want to at least download their favourite aircraft, and many will want access to config files so they can personally adjust flight models, livery colours, and a host of other personalised things.

I agree, and that more options, and making the options available more easy to identify and access, would go a long way to helping out. 

I understand that this ability to download is coming. They could not get it implemented for release but it is planned, likely by the end of the year, that we will be able to download content to our computers. Hopefully the cfg files come with that download. But to be honest I also worry a little about that "buy livery" button that comes up next to the default liveries and I hope they are not planning to make all liveries payware.  TO has a thread opened up about it on the official forums as restricting this will pretty much crush the freeware market.

I don’t think there’s a lack of options but a lack of knowledge on the users end.

For instance:

There’s another post showing how to jump in cold & dark at the apron as before, but even after pointing it out to someone complaining about not having that ability anymore the solution is discounted.

The complaining de jour has taken a life of its own, where if you are not complaining you are not a serious simmer somehow.

The GUI is clunky and not very intuitive, but many of the complaints are addressed in the sim, but it requires digging and the willing to learn how.

It appears no one wants to learn anything new and want everything as before, but better at the same time?

Totally appreciate the sentiment, but a lot of that stuff is on the horizon:

2 hours ago, robert young said:

did not think it through that hundreds of thousands of users will want to at least download their favourite aircraft

Coming with the sim, once the marketplace launches apparently.

 

2 hours ago, robert young said:

many will want access to config files so they can personally adjust flight models, livery colours, and a host of other personalised things

According to a developer - the tools for all of that are in the works as well.

 

Regarding career - it's hard to anticipate what people will want or not, especially when you're balancing this around the need to be more approachable. I wouldn't have envied the person tasked with designing the career mode, it's not an easy task. Sure options are great, but too many options are also a bad thing.

But that's where feedback is important. There have already been lots of indications in the official career feedback thread that Asobo is listening to the feedback. Totally appreciate whether anything to come from that we are yet to see.

I just want the "TAB Toggle EFB" message gone after exiting the aircraft. That and the toolbar every time I move the mouse. Both are immersion killers. Hopefully someone at least comes up with something similar to NoToolbarHandle for 2024.

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by Bones62

1 hour ago, Los said:

There’s another post showing how to jump in cold & dark at the apron as before, but even after pointing it out to someone complaining about not having that ability anymore the solution is discounted.

The complaining de jour has taken a life of its own, where if you are not complaining you are not a serious simmer somehow.

Some “serious simmers” want the simple ability to jump in cold and dark at an actual parking spot. Since 2024 is supposed to be an upgrade to 2020 perhaps they could implement the simplest of things from 2020 without having to jump through hoops and perform workarounds.

2 hours ago, Los said:

I don’t think there’s a lack of options but a lack of knowledge on the users end.

 

Seriously?  I am already very tired and frustrated with literally breaking my nose on my aircraft each time I start a new flight.  It may be one thing to start with a walk-around, but I want an option to eliminate or bypass this new in-your-face startup. 

This reminds me of the MSFS 2020 over-reaches.  Like when there were complaints about lack of icing it then upon sim updates became totally overdone.  Then when complaints about overdone, with the next update became absent again.  Same thing with lightening and thunder.

I believe we have a sim developer attitude issue.  Would be nice to have them recognize there is are clear distinctions between gamers and serious enthusiasts and stop the juvenile back-and-forth in-your-face stuff.

1 hour ago, desbean said:

Some “serious simmers” want the simple ability to jump in cold and dark at an actual parking spot. Since 2024 is supposed to be an upgrade to 2020 perhaps they could implement the simplest of things from 2020 without having to jump through hoops and perform workarounds.

Exactly, that's how I see it as well, couldn't agree more

13 minutes ago, fppilot said:

Seriously?  I am already very tired and frustrated with literally breaking my nose on my aircraft each time I start a new flight.  It may be one thing to start with a walk-around, but I want an option to eliminate or bypass this new in-your-face startup. 

This reminds me of the MSFS 2020 over-reaches.  Like when there were complaints about lack of icing it then upon sim updates became totally overdone.  Then when complaints about overdone, with the next update became absent again.  Same thing with lightening and thunder.

I believe we have a sim developer attitude issue.  Would be nice to have them recognize there is are clear distinctions between gamers and serious enthusiasts and stop the juvenile back-and-forth in-your-face stuff.

I am sure they recognize that fact regarding gamers vs serious enthusiasts but it seems that they couldn't care less. The future belongs to the juvenile and they want their money.

2 hours ago, Los said:

I don’t think there’s a lack of options but a lack of knowledge on the users end.

For instance:

There’s another post showing how to jump in cold & dark at the apron as before, but even after pointing it out to someone complaining about not having that ability anymore the solution is discounted.

The complaining de jour has taken a life of its own, where if you are not complaining you are not a serious simmer somehow.

The GUI is clunky and not very intuitive, but many of the complaints are addressed in the sim, but it requires digging and the willing to learn how.

It appears no one wants to learn anything new and want everything as before, but better at the same time?

You hit the nail on the head!

 

6 hours ago, robert young said:

It seems to me that many of the current objections to MSFS2024 are largely based on the lack of user options. I have never understood why any major sim developer would not allow the user as many options as possible. The classic example of this is way back in FSX when cockpit lighting would only switch on between the hours of dusk and dawn and could not be over-ridden at least for default aircraft. This kind of control freakery is probably based on sincere efforts to bring a so-called authentic experience, but the compulsory lights off/on in FSX was really very silly as it wasn't even authentic.

If you extend this to FS2024 you realise that many of the reported frustrations are indeed about the lack of user options. If you really want to control how a user starts up the sim and take it to its full absurdity then you might as well require each flight to start with reporting to a virtual FBO, signing off the pilot, filling in the paper work, submitting one's log book to a rental FBO, checking the fuel is not contaminated with water, checking the oil levels, and all the other things you might do in a real flight preparation. Or preferably just GIVE THE USER OPTIONS.

As to the sim itself, it is extraordinary that Asobo did not think it through that hundreds of thousands of users will want to at least download their favourite aircraft, and many will want access to config files so they can personally adjust flight models, livery colours, and a host of other personalised things. I simply do not understand the mindset that wants to control how people fly. The more options you offer, the more satisfied the user will be. It's no good adding these as a reluctant afterthought as a response to pressure from users. It should have been thought through right from the beginning, and the ridiculous thing is that it is so easy to implement.

So what would persuade me and many others to buy this sim is to be given as many user options as possible. It costs Asobo/Microsoft nothing to do so.

 

Hi,  Robert,

Totally agree with you!

Greetings

 

 

one of the worst changes in the GUI area is how terrible is now to select liveries or  aircraft variations  you have to go a other menu than takes 3 times more than use to be in msfs20. and lest no talk about customization where we cant make liveries we cant edit default aircraft lights or other improves that could make aircrafts better. they touch areas that was already good in msfs they could spend more time adding double jetway or ai traffic, atc and fsr 3.1 etc

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by michdb8

4 hours ago, Los said:

I don’t think there’s a lack of options but a lack of knowledge on the users end.

For instance:

There’s another post showing how to jump in cold & dark at the apron as before, but even after pointing it out to someone complaining about not having that ability anymore the solution is discounted.

The complaining de jour has taken a life of its own, where if you are not complaining you are not a serious simmer somehow.

The GUI is clunky and not very intuitive, but many of the complaints are addressed in the sim, but it requires digging and the willing to learn how.

It appears no one wants to learn anything new and want everything as before, but better at the same time?

And everyone forget that they hated the GUI in 2020 and now they are praising it..lol Some even wanted them too keep the old FSX way of setting things up when 20202 released,,,ahaha

2024 GUI is just different, not neccesarly worse and once we get familiar, maybe its even better than 2020 GUI. For instance, now we can setup controls for individual planes without relying on third party software… 

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by Kaboki

Even if there may be workarounds for individual design decisions, the fundamental problem is that ASOBO is apparently not very capable of learning.
The past has shown that most users do not appreciate things being forced on them in the long run (pressing any key to start or the logbook popup after engine shutdown are probably the first things that spring to mind), and a very common request in wishlist items is often OPTIONS.
"Start flight without walkaround" already has almost 500 votes just a few days after release. Is that really necessary?

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by Tom_L

9 minutes ago, Tom_L said:

Even if there may be workarounds for individual design decisions, the fundamental problem is that ASOBO is apparently not very capable of learning.
The past has shown that most users do not appreciate things being forced on them in the long run (pressing any key to start or the logbook popup after engine shutdown are probably the first things that spring to mind), and a very common request in wishlist items is often OPTIONS.
"Start flight without walkaround" already has almost 500 votes just a few days after release. Is that really necessary?

This. It's literally the most frustrating part of all of this 2024 stuff. It's so beyond reasonable that I seriously wonder if they are doing this on purpose, to see the community reaction and see what else they could force upon them in the future (most likely other stuff that closes up the ecosystem even more, e.g. addons only via the marketplace)