45 minutes ago, Wobbie said:

I'm using v4.5 as it can take a lot of FSX add-ons. 

I'm not interested in FS2020 nor FS2024, as I prefer retro aviation, which those sims do not support, nor am I interested in spending a lot of money on PC's, to get the newer sims to run satisfactory.

On your first point I have the Vertx DA-62 running fine in v5. You need to add a v4 entry in the Registry pointing to v5 and it then works fine. Carenado aircraft work fine with a v5 compatibility patch. I have plenty of airports designed for v4 that are fine with v5 with a tweak to the AFCAD.

Plus the big improvements in v5. Detailed world coastlines and Enhanced Atmospherics which make a huge difference.

13 minutes ago, Daube said:

… you are wrong about MSFS2020 which has much better performance than P3Dv4 with the same hardware. With my old computer (6 years old already, with an i7 8700k and a GTX1070ti), I switched from P3Dv4 to XPlane11 and then to MSFS2020, and both XP11 and MSFS2020 were offering a much better quality/performance ratio than P3Dv4.

 

But a £6 Steam Lossless Frame Generator program allows a huge improvement in performance. I used to set my monitor to 30Hz with Unlimited and VSync enabled. It’s now 60Hz with 20fps limiter in RTSS with a x3 multiplier set in LFG.

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Plus the big improvements in v5. Detailed world coastlines and Enhanced Atmospherics which make a huge difference.

This, and no more 2D clouds. 👍

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

But a £6 Steam Lossless Frame Generator program allows a huge improvement in performance. I used to set my monitor to 30Hz with Unlimited and VSync enabled. It’s now 60Hz with 20fps limiter in RTSS with a x3 multiplier set in LFG.

Sure, but the point was about MSFS2020 requiring a hardware upgrade, which is wrong.

On 12/12/2024 at 12:27 AM, kholt said:

It seems that either LM has completely stopped P3D development altogether, or else they are working on a new product that replaces it.

I hope that they are working hard on v7 which will use satellite imagery and imagery-based and map-based 3D vegetation and building placement - like what MSFS does but better.

V6 does need some bug fixes.  For example, every time I do something in the UI it triggers an annoying "no flightplan" message that I have to clear.

Dave

15 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

I hope that they are working hard on v7 which will use satellite imagery and imagery-based and map-based 3D vegetation and building placement - like what MSFS does but better.

But we will always comme to the same conclusion: They need to buy the imagery (either bing or google) while Microsoft get the bing imagery for free. The also need the data center to store and distribute the imagery to the players (msfs2024 datas are mesured in petabytes).

And as it is something probably in importance only for the leisure market (military probably don't care), will LM bother with such complexity?

Even more when you that it would have to be way more better than msfs for the custumers and editors to come back to P3D.

On 12/13/2024 at 3:59 PM, sdirand said:

But we will always comme to the same conclusion: They need to buy the imagery (either bing or google) while Microsoft get the bing imagery for free. The also need the data center to store and distribute the imagery to the players (msfs2024 datas are mesured in petabytes).

And as it is something probably in importance only for the leisure market (military probably don't care), will LM bother with such complexity?

Even more when you that it would have to be way more better than msfs for the custumers and editors to come back to P3D.

You will also notice V6 requires internet connection, what could that hold for the future.

On 12/13/2024 at 2:11 PM, Daube said:

This, and no more 2D clouds. 👍

Sure, but the point was about MSFS2020 requiring a hardware upgrade, which is wrong.

Quite correct. The amount of detail that I can render in MSFS 2020 on my 2015 specification PC is astonishing.

11 hours ago, G-RFRY said:

You will also notice V6 requires internet connection, what could that hold for the future.

You get a popup saying no connection and that's it.

On 12/13/2024 at 10:38 AM, dave2013 said:

I hope that they are working hard on v7 which will use satellite imagery and imagery-based and map-based 3D vegetation and building placement - like what MSFS does but better.

V6 does need some bug fixes.  For example, every time I do something in the UI it triggers an annoying "no flightplan" message that I have to clear.

Dave

You and me BOTH!  I love P3d, and Lockheed Martin is so capable of doing what it wants to do.  I so look forward to a V7 that has the best scenery and planes ever.   Please make it happen, LM.

On 12/13/2024 at 9:59 AM, sdirand said:

But we will always comme to the same conclusion: They need to buy the imagery (either bing or google) while Microsoft get the bing imagery for free. The also need the data center to store and distribute the imagery to the players (msfs2024 datas are mesured in petabytes).

This is Lockheed Martin we're talking about.  I imagine they have their own satellite imagery.

I would be fine with LM requiring a subscription to pay for the data and servers.

Dave

Here another P3D fan. Just did a short flight this morning from EDWN to EDDV in A2A Cessna 172.

Software:

P3D 5.4

AS 

Rex Skyforce

ORBX Germany North

A2A C172

AIG TC 

 

I enjoyed the flight very much,  without a single problem. Just Take Off - Cruise - ILS RWY27L approach  - Landing - Shutdown

15 hours ago, dave2013 said:

This is Lockheed Martin we're talking about.  I imagine they have their own satellite imagery.

I would be fine with LM requiring a subscription to pay for the data and servers.

Dave

Talk is that`s MS plan for windows O/S in the future a subscription base O/S in the cloud, no more downloading updates all done by MS in the cloud.

Remembering that P3D is (theoretically) not for entertainment purposes, and is used as a professional training tool, procedures are more important than eye candy, so I think that the chances of Lockheed Martin releasing a sim that is using (their own) satellite imagery would be very slim. I could be wrong.

Why on earth would they do something like that when MS is doing it? Certainly not for the number of uses they have, compared to MS.

LM has developed in a totally different way to MS, I'm sure that LM is not short of users.

26 minutes ago, Wobbie said:

Why on earth would they do something like that when MS is doing it? Certainly not for the number of uses they have, compared to MS.

I agree to an extent.  They will only do something like the satellite imagery scenery if they believe it benefits their military customers.

I could make the argument that anything that makes a military flight simulator more realistic and accurate is a desirable feature, and satellite imagery-based scenery definitely is more accurate and realistic.  The question is whether the military customers are willing to pay for it.

Dave

If LM does go with satellite scenery, I hope they do a better job than what MS/Asobo did MSFS2020 in northern parts of the Western Canadian provinces and territories.  Poor satellite imagery equaled poor scenery.  Would have been nice to have a default tile/landclass scenery where scenery is poor. In some parts of Northern Canada in MSFS, parts of the same lake would be part water, part tree covered and part winter.  I do not have MSFS2024 to see if they fixed this somehow. Since I mainly fly in this area of the world, I am still using P3DV5.

As a die hard P3D man I have always been puzzled about why LM sold it to the public at all. I’m sure glad they did and do but if they don’t care about or need the hobby market as some argue why do they sell it to us? Why have a public forum on their web site with a developers corner with news about addons that anyone would know has nothing to do with military or professional training of any kind today. Who trains for a twin engine 1930 vintage Lockheed Electra for example? I think for some good reason not identifiable by me there seems to be a department of LM that has an interest in the hobby community and staying engaged with us. Not to the degree of Microsoft but for some not so obvious reason it’s there and for that reason I believe we’re going to keep seeing sim development by LM for some time to come.