This type of polarization and black/white thinking is why I don’t participate much in these discussions. I don’t mind sharing my point of view, but too often it ends in some kind of gridlock between “haters” and… well I guess I can’t spell out the other word without it being replaced by “word not allowed”. 

It’s both insane and fascinating how MSFS2024 drives such a wedge between flight simming enthusiasts. I can’t recall seeing this (at the same extent) with 2020.

Just now, Cpt_Piett said:

This type of polarization and black/white thinking is why I don’t participate much in these discussions. I don’t mind sharing my point of view, but too often it ends in some kind of gridlock between “haters” and… well I guess I can’t spell out the other word without it being replaced by “word not allowed”. 

It’s both insane and fascinating how MSFS2024 drives such a wedge between flight simming enthusiasts. I can’t recall seeing this (at the same extent) with 2020.

Atari vs Amiga, Nintendo vs Sega, Holden vs Ford, Elite Dangerous before the Combat Change vs Elite Dangerous after the Combat change! etc etc

Going back decades and wherever you go on the internet, whatever forums you'd frequent, there will be people who simply cannot accept negative opinions and feel the need to defend a product as though their lives depend on it. The internet, ya gotta love it!

18 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

This type of polarization and black/white thinking is why I don’t participate much in these discussions. I don’t mind sharing my point of view, but too often it ends in some kind of gridlock between “haters” and… well I guess I can’t spell out the other word without it being replaced by “word not allowed”. 

It’s both insane and fascinating how MSFS2024 drives such a wedge between flight simming enthusiasts. I can’t recall seeing this (at the same extent) with 2020.

Oh man, I do...

First you had the MSFS 2020 vs X-Plane discussions that got absolutely out of hand and resulted in name calling and trolling from both sides. (very much akin to how 2020 users and 2024 users are acting)

Then you had the P3D vs MSFS users and the MSFS is a VFR only sim, you can't do IFR, it doesn't have any real add-ons, the AI has pointy noses, ATC is garbage,  I'm never going to stream etc etc

Then you had users like myself who bought it, installed it, couldn't believe how good it looked compared to P3D or XP and that we could fire up anywhere on the globe without any add-ons and it arguably looked as good or better than P3D with all its add-ons but at the same time really wanted specific Boeing add-ons or in my case specific hardware all being compatible, AIG,ATC, ASFS for historical weather etc etc so we parked it and used P3D for a couple of years while it matured but kept popping in to explore.

Very much akin to what some of us are doing with 2024.  Funny thing is a lot of us using 2020 and popping in to 2024 are the same ones who kept using P3D and those who are preaching to others how great 2024 is are the same people who were screaming how great 2020 was 4 years ago LOL... 

It's all cyclical.  🙂    Give it a few years and the same people screaming about how great 2024 is will be calling it a dead sim and garbage and talking about how they can "never" go back once 2028 comes out and calling those who don't drop everything and jump scared of change, technology averse, laggards etc etc... 😉  

Edited December 25, 20241 yr by psolk

10 minutes ago, MarcG said:

Going back decades and wherever you go on the internet, whatever forums you'd frequent, there will be people who simply cannot accept negative opinions and feel the need to defend a product as though their lives depend on it.

That’s the thing, I’ve never felt the need to defend any product. I was very happy with another sim for years before 2020 suddenly launched, and now I’m happy with…. certain aspects of 2024. If other people enjoy something else… fine. 

Although I don’t contribute much in these threads, I read pretty much everything. I guess I just find it interesting how opinions on 2024 are so wildly different.

17 minutes ago, MarcG said:

Going back decades and wherever you go on the internet, whatever forums you'd frequent, there will be people who simply cannot accept negative positive opinions and feel the need to defend disparage a product as though their lives depend on it. The internet, ya gotta love it!

Just another slant on the debate.

2 minutes ago, psolk said:

First you had the MSFS 2020 vs X-Plane discussions that got absolutely out of hand and resulted in name calling and trolling from both sides. (very much akin to how 2020 users and 2024 users are acting)

Ah yes, I remember now 😆 At the time leading up to the release of MSFS2020, I frequented another sim forum, and the disagreements there got absolutely wild! 

But even though the temperature has been a tad higher here on Avsim lately, I still enjoy reading (and occasionally participating) in the many 2024 vs 2020 discussions. 

Happy holidays and blue skies fellow enthusiasts 😄🎄

For me 2024 is giving the best ultra low level flying experience in any sim EVER

Likewise the most realistic rendition of the hills and valleys where I live I’ve ever experienced.

4 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Ah yes, I remember now 😆 At the time leading up to the release of MSFS2020, I frequented another sim forum, and the disagreements there got absolutely wild! 

But even though the temperature has been a tad higher here on Avsim lately, I still enjoy reading (and occasionally participating) in the many 2024 vs 2020 discussions. 

Happy holidays and blue skies fellow enthusiasts 😄🎄

Don't tell me what to do with my holiday or what color the sky is, how dare you????

Haha!!  Happy and Healthy to you as well!!!

13 minutes ago, jon b said:

For me 2024 is giving the best ultra low level flying experience in any sim EVER

Likewise the most realistic rendition of the hills and valleys where I live I’ve ever experienced.

Which ironically is exactly what we said about 2020 when it came out...  It's great for low and slow, I'll do VFR in MSFS and IFR in P3D LOL  

One of the "big" differences is 2024 6 weeks post release already has Fenix, JF, a number of other very high fidelity and high quality aircraft add-ons as well as multiple ATC options, AI add-ons, GSX, a number of scenery add-ons, ASFS and the list goes on.  For me SPAD.Next is already supported and RKsoft updated OI4FS this past weekend for all my OpenCockpit HW modules...  

Arguably it is probably 2 years more mature than 2020 was at release 6 weeks post release...  The only issue is people aren't comparing 2020 "at release" to 2024 "at release", they are comparing 2020 the day 2024 was released to 2024 the day it was released, the same way they compared P3D which was what like 10 years old to MSFS on day 1.  They didn't think back to P3D V0.1,  they looked at P3D day 3,652 to MSFS Day 1 😉 

Edited December 25, 20241 yr by psolk

FS2024 release is so bad simmers are even considering going to X Plane.

10 minutes ago, jon b said:

Likewise the most realistic rendition of the hills and valleys where I live I’ve ever experienced.

Cliffs and mountains look amazing in 2024, adding a lot to the immersion. I could probably share some screenshots, but not a the sim PC at the moment. 

Reason #6: It's really cut down on the "PMDG stinks" posts.

I do find these discussions amusing, as it seems there is a Team 2020 vs. Team 2024 mentality involved. I can sort of understand how this might arise when comparing MSFS 2020 to say P3d, or 2020 to X-Plane, since they are very different products with different software, developers and communities. But MSFS 2020 and MSFS 2024 are part of the same franchise; 2024 is the progeny of 2020. So enjoy MSFS 2020 for what it does well currently and explore 2024 now or later to see what it can potentially do as it matures. The developers are making it pretty easy to adopt a complimentary approach to using both products, since so many 2020 sceneries and aircraft are already working quite well in 2024. It’s just a shame not to take advantage of both. 
Rich

29 minutes ago, jon b said:

For me 2024 is giving the best ultra low level flying experience in any sim EVER

Likewise the most realistic rendition of the hills and valleys where I live I’ve ever experienced.

I have two old friends who obtained PPL’s in their late teens and early twenties and have managed to keep them current through four decades of wives, kids and mortgaged bliss.

I’ve done my bit by bumping around the skies of Devon and Cornwall in the right hand seat to share costs and what 2024 has given us is truly astonishing in my opinion.

Yes, it has an absolute ton of bugs and obviously something has gone awry in Microsobo’s project management but nevertheless what we have now is undoubtedly an amazing achievement.

Lets be honest about the moaning and groaning; we’re human beings, a group of very social primates and we enjoy it. 
It’s an added bonus!😃

1 hour ago, MarcG said:

 Seems like it's therapeutic for the lovers, kinda amusing and fascinating at the same time to watch them rinse and repeat every day. Some of them seem to be absolutely loving the fact that there are lot of those who are posting legitimate issues, or are not as happy or positive about MSFS 20204 and/or Asobo as they are.. and happy at those are who are apparently "my sim works flawlessly so there's nothing wrong" or "this is the way every flight sim has been released so we're used to subpar first releases" and then please keep loving because it's fun to watch 🤣

Works both ways pal 🤣

 

Except we are not yammering daily about our positive experiences, and no we are *not* saying there is nothing wrong, but valiant attempt at making things up bud! Your ingenious twisting of words above made me smile like: