4 minutes ago, Noel said:

I can change from TAA to DLSS w/ DLAA and this softens the strobing enough to make it less troublesome, but then you get other artifacts like ghosting characters.

Not sure if you've tried the workaround for this which involves using DLSS performance and setting secondary scaling to 1.5 or 2.0 in usercfg.opt. It pretty much eliminates the ghosting. I don't use it myself as I ran into performance issues. 

1 hour ago, Sethos said:

While I haven't seen what you are describing myself, there's maybe two things that could play in; if you are using frame generation at lower framerates, like base framerate at 30, you could run into visible artifacts from the frame-generation, as it's recommended the base framerate is 50-60. Though I run 90FPS, i.e base at 45 and that's okay. Other one is something I've experienced myself, is an intense, subtle strobing effect that was tied to when framerate got too low because Nvidia has an on-going issue with G-Sync / Freesync / VRR in general that can induce that strobing. Apparently it should be fixed in an upcoming driver. We've spoken about this before, I know you use RTSS to cap FG even though it's generally not recommended, something in that process might induce that specific VRR strobing.

And it's funny because I also have an LG Ultrawide 3440x1440 IPS panel and I think I've seen the exact strobing you might be referring to which was due to VRR. Though it wasn't binary, like below VRR range it would happen, above it would not. The second it was induced, it felt like it wouldn't really go away, it would happen even within VRR range, it was very weird. Then next session it wasn't there. 

The little judder as you move between monitors, I don't think has a name as such or is something they are focusing on. Though it is somewhat less in 2024 for me it's still there but I hardly notice it. We'll have to see when the 5000-series launch at the end of the month and the driver releases what the status is. That's where all the new DLSS4 stuff should be available to us. 

I know you have an ips panel but i think the same things happen with VA panels ... When VRR or freesync is enabled and you fall below the monitors VRR range or even are within the range you will get that white strobing effect.

Solution.

Ive turned VRR/freesync off in the monitor settings  ..locked my frames to 45 and used my framegen to get me to 90fps. The hardware lock at 45 gives my pc enough headroom to control frame pacing and stutters to not need the VRR and the system is strong enough to not dip below 30fps which will give me 60fps with the framegen in the tough spots.

50 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Not sure if you've tried the workaround for this which involves using DLSS performance and setting secondary scaling to 1.5 or 2.0 in usercfg.opt. It pretty much eliminates the ghosting. I don't use it myself as I ran into performance issues. 

I saw it but never tried it in this context, but did try this a while back when someone posted it improved image quality and had a serious performance impact as well so returned to default.  I use TAA now when I do use FG and just keep the 2nd screen active during taxi as once in the air the strobing is no more.

8 hours ago, edu2703 said:

One thing I learned from using an FG mod in MSFS and also FSR 3 FG in other games on an RTX 2060: Frame generation is not a savior if you are experiencing unstable performance and/or performance below 30 FPS.

Even if the indicated fps with FG is decent, if your normal fps is below 30, you will feel that the gameplay is not nearly as smooth as it should be if the indicated fps were the normal performance, especially when moving controls and moving the camera. You will immediately notice the input lag and several artifacts. Furthermore, if you are experiencing stuttering and fps drops, FG won't prevent you from having them.

This means that you need to already have stable and acceptable performance without FG in order to have a good experience with FG. Frame Generation is not supposed to take you from unacceptable performance to acceptable.

Which also begs the question about these new cards, at least for flight sim. Since we are all CPU bound and limited to less cores in the first place. 30 and 40 series cards really do a good job already for flight sim. Heck, my 2080ti with framegen mod and autofps saved me from upgrading for a long while.

I see on YT videos that r\in the future, series 2000 thru 4000 cards will be able to run some of the advanced features of the 5000 cards. But not all, because of the lack of advanced AI in the hardware. I think it is DLSS 4 that will become available on the 4000 series, but not the multi frame generation which is 5000 series only.

 

https://www.engadget.com/computing/nvidia-dlss-4-is-coming-to-all-rtx-gpus-044835216.html

Edited January 8, 20251 yr by Fielder

Meh. Sure, you'll get "triple" AI generated FPS, but DLSS 4 isn't going to fix the core issues. You'll still have stutters, blurry ground textures, and other performance issues caused by server overload, general bugs, and poor optimization.

17 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

I see MSFS 2020 and MSFS 2024 in the list of games that DLSS 4 will support, for the new NVidia 5000 series cards: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/dlss4-multi-frame-generation-ray-tracing-rtx-games/

This is another win for MSFS.  MSFS, being an AAA game with an AAA budget, is implementing the latest technological advances with the leading graphics card producer.  This reminds me of when MSFS 2020 first got frame generation and the CEO of NVidia, Jensen Huang, was demoing frame generation with MSFS 2020.

It's good to be an MSFS user, we get the latest and greatest technology.

I have DLSS turned on in my graphics setting in the sim now. But when that new feature finally becomes available, it might force me to upgrade my existing card.

The only real issue of the 5000 series nVIDIA GPUs is the fact that they are again limited in VRAM. With my 4080, I easily run out of VRAM in MSFS2020 using complex airliners and/or sceneries, in MSFS2024 it is even more the case already with GA planes in remote areas. And now nVIDIA comes again with 16GB cards for over 1000$. 16GB VRAM for the second fastest GPU in 2025? Seriously? And then this HUUUUGE gap between the 5080 and the 5090? I bet a million that we will see a 5080Ti before end of 2025 coming with 24GB VRAM... until then, I will wait with upgrading, because I guess even with DLSS4, those 16GB wont be enough for MSFS on 4K in the mentioned scenarios. 

49 minutes ago, Bigmack said:

I have DLSS turned on in my graphics setting in the sim now. But when that new feature finally becomes available, it might force me to upgrade my existing card.

Hi, Bigmack,

Not only the graphic card!

Think about the motherboard, the processor (of course!), perhaps the pc power supply, the RAM... well, that's a new PC!

Greetings

 

22 minutes ago, John Fields said:

Think about the motherboard, the processor (of course!), perhaps the pc power supply, the RAM... well, that's a new PC!

Did you check his signature? I dont think he needs to upgrade any other component of his rig 😉 

3 hours ago, usernamerequired said:

Meh. Sure, you'll get "triple" AI generated FPS, but DLSS 4 isn't going to fix the core issues. You'll still have stutters, blurry ground textures, and other performance issues caused by server overload, general bugs, and poor optimization.

But I don't have some of issues to begin with. I have no stutters, no blurry ground textures in 2024. Textures are always sharp, nary a stutter. Performance is always above 50 in 2D and 32 in VR.

14 minutes ago, AnkH said:

Did you check his signature? I dont think he needs to upgrade any other component of his rig 😉 

Well, that's good news, but my rig is quite old, so... I'm preparing my wallet!

Cheers!

 

20 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

I see MSFS 2020 and MSFS 2024 in the list of games that DLSS 4 will support, for the new NVidia 5000 series cards: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/dlss4-multi-frame-generation-ray-tracing-rtx-games/

This is another win for MSFS.  MSFS, being an AAA game with an AAA budget, is implementing the latest technological advances with the leading graphics card producer.  This reminds me of when MSFS 2020 first got frame generation and the CEO of NVidia, Jensen Huang, was demoing frame generation with MSFS 2020.

It's good to be an MSFS user, we get the latest and greatest technology.

Had a look at all this 5000 stuff and DLSS 4 and... I WANT IT! When will it be released???

30. January 2025

Had another look and boy, those prices... Perhaps I could convince myself to get the 5080 (the 5090 is out of my league) but compared to what some 4000 cards offer it seems the difference isn't extreme. I think it's best to wait for the first tests of these 5000 cards with MSFS2024. Hopefully someone will compare the 5080 with a few 4000 cards in our beloved sim.