11 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Ground resolution in 2024 is far better than 2020 - individual stones are picked out!  2020 is flat!

Yes I agree, I did mean the satellite imagery though. Prior to the beta it was quite low res and somewhat blurry, even more so further away from the user.

I'm sorry @abrams_tank but I have to disagree with you here..............it won't need that many! Lol. I this 2-3 solid SUs will be more than enough. You are definitely right about perceptions changing drastically since SU1 beta came out tho. I'm seeing people in flight sim groups making posts encouraging others to join the beta. A very good sign indeed. Once Asobo is able to give us SU2 with the Vram bug fix, you'll really start to see people move over in droves. PMDG, iFly and others, should be up and running in the sim by then too.

On the question of when most 3rd party aircraft will be usable in 2024.. regardless of the overall end-user bugs backlog, as long as the development tools/frameworks and SDK don't present any blockers I think most of the big 3rd party aircraft devs will get to be at least compatible with MSFS 2024 much sooner rather than later.

SU1 appears to have unblocked certain specific code development paths/methods that a dev like PMDG were depending on, so there's an example where it's then down to the aircraft dev and how much time they need rather an MSFS 2024 SUs. SU1 might just be enough for PMDG to release at least compatible versions of their fleet and then focus on improving them to take advantage of 2024 features/capabilities afterwards.
 

8 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

I think we both agree that MSFS 2024 is a huge step up from MSFS 2020.  I don't even use MSFS 2020 anymore. I only have MSFS 2020 installed in case I get the urge to fly the PMDG 737, but that urge is not strong enough for me to boot up MSFS 2020.   Unfortunately, it's the wider flight sim community, especially the holdouts still using MSFS 2020, that don't agree. Some of the more ardent holdouts, probably need about 4 to 6 Sim Updates, before they convert over to 2024.

No they don't, the majority of them just need to swallow some pride. They can see 2024 is a big step up - anybody can, but they are already too far down the road with the other negative attitude sheep that it will be very hard for them to publicly admit they are now using 2024. And frankly who cares anyway? I'm certainly not going to waste any energy trying to convert anyone. 

1 minute ago, St Mawgan said:

No they don't, the majority of them just need to swallow some pride. They can see 2024 is a big step up - anybody can, but they are already too far down the road with the other negative attitude sheep that it will be very hard for them to publicly admit they are now using 2024. And frankly who cares anyway? I'm certainly not going to waste any energy trying to convert anyone. 

It isn't "swallowing pride", it is waiting until 2024 is ready for prime time, which it isn't at present. If it was, it wouldn't need 5-6 SU's . 

Funny how it's become a MSFS2020 vs MSFS2024 Sim War, those continually convincing themselves 2024 is the be all and end all already and that 2020 is a waste of time, whilst others are sitting back and waiting for 2024 to be the v1.0 it should've been on release.
At the end of the day we all want the titles to improve in our own little ways, but for me until MSFS2024 proves better or at least on par performance as MSFS2020 and those terribly frustrating VR bugs are fixed then it's a waiting game I'm willing to play.

But unfortunately because Martial clearly has a hatred for all things VR then *fingers crossed* SU2 will be the time I properly get to witness all this "brilliance" for myself, until then 2020 is just fine and A N Other sim I purchased - with it's far superior VR support with a dev team a fraction the size of Asobo - will do just nicely.

9 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

waiting until 2024 is ready for prime time, which it isn't at present. If it was, it wouldn't need 5-6 SU's . 

How do you know this? Have you tried MSFS 2024?

24 minutes ago, rick celik said:

Yes I agree, I did mean the satellite imagery though. Prior to the beta it was quite low res and somewhat blurry, even more so further away from the user.

Certainly it was blurry, but in SU1 the textures are super sharp and higher detail - never even saw that sharpness with the Map Enhancement mod!

45 minutes ago, Krakin said:

I'm sorry @abrams_tank but I have to disagree with you here..............it won't need that many! Lol. I this 2-3 solid SUs will be more than enough. You are definitely right about perceptions changing drastically since SU1 beta came out tho. I'm seeing people in flight sim groups making posts encouraging others to join the beta. A very good sign indeed. Once Asobo is able to give us SU2 with the Vram bug fix, you'll really start to see people move over in droves. PMDG, iFly and others, should be up and running in the sim by then too.

I agree with you.  I think after SU2 and with the most popular aircraft ported over (ie. PMDG, iFly, etc), MSFS 2024 Free Flight should be excellent! I think we should really start to see an inflow of users to MSFS 2024 by SU2 (but there will still be holdouts of course).

Edited January 26, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

2 minutes ago, MarcG said:

Funny how it's become a MSFS2020 vs MSFS2024 Sim War, those continually convincing themselves 2024 is the be all and end all already and that 2020 is a waste of time

Has anybody said 2020 is a waste of time?  I don't think I have ever read that.  I understand anybody staying with 2020 if some aspect of 2024 doesn't fulfil their requirements.  Being positive and excited with 2024 isn't a statement that 2020 is a waste of time.

I will strongly disagree with any statements about 2024 that are factually incorrect.  For example, if it is suggested the ground resolution in 2024 isn't higher than 2020, but this in no way is a negative statement of 2020.  

7 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

I agree with you.  I think after SU2 and with the most popular aircraft ported over (ie. PMDG, iFly, etc), MSFS 2024 Free Flight should be excellent! I think we should really start to see an inflow of users to MSFS 2024 after SU2 (but there will still be holdouts of course).

Yes, SU2 should be the point where there are few reasons not to switch.

I don’t think many people thought MSFS 2024 was always going to be bad. It just was nowhere near ready on day one. Or month one. My CTDs are gone after SU1 so that means i can finally play around with it for more than 5 minutes now! 

10 minutes ago, MarcG said:

Funny how it's become a MSFS2020 vs MSFS2024 Sim War, those continually convincing themselves 2024 is the be all and end all already and that 2020 is a waste of time, whilst others are sitting back and waiting for 2024 to be the v1.0 it should've been on release.
At the end of the day we all want the titles to improve in our own little ways, but for me until MSFS2024 proves better or at least on par performance as MSFS2020 and those terribly frustrating VR bugs are fixed then it's a waiting game I'm willing to play.

But unfortunately because Martial clearly has a hatred for all things VR then *fingers crossed* SU2 will be the time I properly get to witness all this "brilliance" for myself, until then 2020 is just fine and A N Other sim I purchased - with it's far superior VR support with a dev team a fraction the size of Asobo - will do just nicely.

This reminds me of windows 10 and 11. Two thirds of windows users prefer the older Windows 10, and it has nothing to do with hardware now, because windows now allows older systems to install 11, yet people still like 10.

2 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Has anybody said 2020 is a waste of time?

It was a general perception not a direct quote.

21 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

it is waiting until 2024 is ready for prime time

In many respects, 2024 IS ready for prime time, especially now SU1 has already made good progress.  This may not be true for everybody of course, because they may be waiting for VR improvements or be waiting for their favourite aircraft to be available.

I think the term 'prime time' is slightly misleading though.  It suggests 2024 isn't fully playable as a sim, which it is of course.