5 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

Nope, I am not affiliated with MSFS or Microsoft in any way  .   .   .

Thanks for the reply. I was genuinely curious because you just seemed so enthusiastic it aroused my unfortunately rather pronounced cynicism on more than one occasion. But that's ok, I hear what you're saying and I'm good with that (not that that matters to anyone).

And I do rather agree with you in most aspects. If P3D v7 came out tomorrow and did all that 2024 does and more, I'd have no problem switching. I keep XP and AFS2 on my system as well as 2020 and 2024, but 2024 has already become my go-to sim even with all its many issues. SU1 looks good from what I read here (I don't do betas so haven't signed up) and I suspect will give me 90% or more of what I want from my sim.

Here's to happy simming for us all!

I have never had issues with free flight in 2024, for me it works just as good as 2020

Free flight is already good, I do not understand your thread title @abrams_tank

4 hours ago, andy1252 said:

Gracias por la respuesta. Sentí curiosidad genuina porque parecías tan entusiasmada que despertó mi cinismo, lamentablemente bastante pronunciado, en más de una ocasión. Pero está bien, entiendo lo que dices y estoy de acuerdo con eso (no es que eso le importe a nadie).

Y estoy bastante de acuerdo contigo en la mayoría de los aspectos. Si P3D v7 saliera mañana e hiciera todo lo que hace 2024 y más, no tendría ningún problema en cambiar. Mantengo XP y AFS2 en mi sistema, así como 2020 y 2024, pero 2024 ya se ha convertido en mi simulador de referencia a pesar de todos sus problemas. SU1 parece bueno por lo que leí aquí (no hago betas, así que no me he registrado) y sospecho que me dará el 90% o más de lo que quiero de mi simulador.

¡Aquí tenemos una feliz simulación para todos nosotros!

I'm sorry to tell you that you are already in an Alpha whether you upgrade or not. 🙂

I'm not a beta user in x-plane either, I always take some time to update after the final version, I value stability a lot because my leisure time is limited, but 2024 I updated it on day one because of what I said at the beginning.

Free flight has been great since release! I have 2 PC's and no major issues. I'm not interested in the unrealistic career mode. 

11 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Does that need further definition?

I will take that as it isn’t. Thanks. 

8 hours ago, andy1252 said:

Thanks for the reply. I was genuinely curious because you just seemed so enthusiastic it aroused my unfortunately rather pronounced cynicism on more than one occasion. But that's ok, I hear what you're saying and I'm good with that (not that that matters to anyone).

And I do rather agree with you in most aspects. If P3D v7 came out tomorrow and did all that 2024 does and more, I'd have no problem switching. I keep XP and AFS2 on my system as well as 2020 and 2024, but 2024 has already become my go-to sim even with all its many issues. SU1 looks good from what I read here (I don't do betas so haven't signed up) and I suspect will give me 90% or more of what I want from my sim.

Here's to happy simming for us all!

Before MSFS 2020 was announced in 2019, the two leading developers of civilian flight simulators (LM and LR) were largely complacent in the decade leading up to MSFS 2020 (although since XP 12's release, it seems like LR is much more pro-active and not as complacent anymore). If you watch American grid iron football, the NFL, the easiest way I can explain this complacency is that LM and LR would move the ball forward by a few inches every year, and they did this for a whole decade before MSFS 2020 was released.  Civilian flight simulation and technological capabilities were diverging in the decade before MSFS 2020 - civilian flight simulation was not taking advantage of the latest that technology could provide in the decade before MSFS 2020. Then the MSFS team comes in and punts the ball down the field by 80 yards when MSFS 2020 was released.  That's how advanced MSFS 2020 was compared to P3D and XP 11 upon its release in 2020.  No more moving the ball forward by a few inches every year, the ball is properly punted forward by 80 yards.

Now for MSFS 2024, I also see a significant leap in technological progress.  While I wouldn't say MSFS 2024 punted the ball down the field by 80 yards, I would say it punted the ball down the field by another 25 yards or so.  From the ground level when custom scenery isn't used, the graphics in MSFS 2024 are a huge leap over MSFS 2020.  I have commented before that MSFS 2024 graphics at the ground level look about 7 years more advanced than MSFS 2020 ground level graphics and I think this Reddit thread demonstrates this exactly, where the author of that thread compares MSFS 2024, without custom scenery, to photos of places he/she has visited in real life:

That's a huge leap in graphics at the ground level, a generational leap, like the difference between the Playstation 4 and Playstation 3. And the irony is, MSFS 2020 was already the poster boy for flight simulation graphics before MSFS 2024 was released.

So while people view MSFS 2024's release as a buggy mess and they only see the negative in MSFS 2024's release, I see MSFS 2024's release as another technological breakthrough in flight simulation, pushing the technology of flight simulation forward and getting closer to the "holy grail of flight simulation" for 2024/2025, and I am confident the bugs will be fixed within 4 to 6 Sim Updates.  4 to 6 Sim Updates isn't that long of a wait time - that's maybe 1 to 1.5 years of waiting. Comparatively, it may take the competition over a decade to get to where MSFS 2024 is today, and by then, we'll have moved onto MSFS 2032 or MSFS 2036 🤣.

 

Edited January 27, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

4 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

If you watch American grid iron football,

Ha! I've about as much interest in football as I have in all those strange buttons and gauges in a cockpit. But I get what you're saying. My real, almost only, interest in flight simming is the graphic environment. Both P3D 4/5 and XP11 almost got there for me but only with the inclusion of Orbx's True Earth products (and a bunch of other stuff). Even now, for me, XP and TE is a viable alternative, but I don't tend to use it much - MSFS is so much better simply because of the breadth of the scenery - most (but not all) of the planet looks stunning, rather than just FLA and the West  Coast (as in TE).

I've bought dozens of games on Steam (when they're on offer) over the years because the environment looked interesting, but I've never played any of them for more than maybe an hour. Can't stand the underlying premise or role characterisation of any of 'em. Don't want to pretend to be a gangster/wizard/SAS hero etc any more than I want to pretend to be a pilot, and I've never really found a way to just explore the landscape in any of them without having to solve puzzles or kill stuff.

Given that my interest is in the visuals, you can imagine how happy I am with 2024. The ground level stuff is getting to be truly immersive at last. The "walk around" thing is just a novelty afaic, I still prefer to use the drone cam, but there is potential there if we get a decent third person view (and less dweeby avatars - where are all the fat old guys?), and I have to say that XP still walks all over 2024 as regards road and rail traffic. But it does feel like MAsobo is pushing in those directions, so I'm hopeful.

There is plenty of room in this world for more than one sim, but 2024 is way out front for what I want from a sim, for sure.

(edited to add: for me it's almost there now, doesn't need another half dozen SUs. Might be different if I cared about piloting stuff or careers I suppose)

Edited January 27, 20251 yr by andy1252
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23 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

I think Free Flight for MSFS 2024 may be very good within 4 to 6 Sim Updates

Weird post. I couldn't care less about what others say about MSFS2024 on reddit or this forum or anywhere else. I love it as it is already. And I care even less about someones very vague expectations about the sim perhaps being very good within 4 to 6 sim updates... Are you very sure it can't be within 2 or 3 updates? Or maybe 7 or 8? Why 4 to 6? What insights do you have exactly on the contents of SU2, SU3, SU4, SU5 and SU6 that you THINK that MSFS MAY be very good somewhere between SU4 and SU6...? I personally think the very first version is very good already, at least for my kind of flying. But I don't think anyone cares about what I think.

I really honesly don't get these kind of topics. Flightsimmers are weird people.

2 hours ago, mistolip said:

Flightsimmers are weird people.

Wouldn't want to be trapped in a lift (elevator) with a bunch of them, for sure.

20 hours ago, Fielder said:

I liked 2024 from the first. But performance on a 4070 5800X3D would degrade at certain airports with planes that need top hardware to perform. Stutters. After switching to the brand new Nvidia 571.96 driver, performance problems do not exist for me anymore.

Interesting!  Personally, I'm loving 2024, but with a 5800X paired with a 3080Ti, i'm experiencing these same issues as you at some smaller payware airports - such as EGPF by Pyreegue.  Panning round outside the aircraft is like a slideshow - even at the end of the runway.

I might now try the new 571.96 driver and see if this gives me any performance improvement.  Cheers.

I good to see that 2024 is getting better and better with each update, however, I just cannot move to 2024 until PMDG and all of my Black Square aircraft are compatible with it.

Free flight has always been pretty good for me, so long as I have no local issues with my connection and ignore the ATC and AI traffic bugs.

The level up with regards to ground details make it hard for me to go back to 2020 - you see I fly mostly GA as I see no point in flying for hours in the flight levels, perhaps I’m one of the digital tourists Jorg mentions 😀

I never like to say that I told people this and told people that as that would be rude and arrogant- but for me at least it was always clear that improvements would come at pace initially with big updates and major bug fixes.

in the long term AI will play a massive part (more so than now), maybe in this SIM but certainly in future versions.

 

4 hours ago, mistolip said:

Weird post. I couldn't care less about what others say about MSFS2024 on reddit or this forum or anywhere else. I love it as it is already. And I care even less about someones very vague expectations about the sim perhaps being very good within 4 to 6 sim updates... Are you very sure it can't be within 2 or 3 updates? Or maybe 7 or 8? Why 4 to 6? What insights do you have exactly on the contents of SU2, SU3, SU4, SU5 and SU6 that you THINK that MSFS MAY be very good somewhere between SU4 and SU6...? I personally think the very first version is very good already, at least for my kind of flying. But I don't think anyone cares about what I think.

I really honesly don't get these kind of topics. Flightsimmers are weird people.

Couldn't have said it better. There are endless topics here re-hashing this same type of know it all for sure it will be great once we get to sim updates 4-6. Who has any idea!

Waiting for the next thread to start with more of the same. 

4 hours ago, mistolip said:

 

I really honesly don't get these kind of topics. Flightsimmers are weird people.

Get out more and find a girlfriend - that would be my advice 😏