5 hours ago, mistolip said:

Weird post. I couldn't care less about what others say about MSFS2024 on reddit or this forum or anywhere else. I love it as it is already. And I care even less about someones very vague expectations about the sim perhaps being very good within 4 to 6 sim updates... Are you very sure it can't be within 2 or 3 updates? Or maybe 7 or 8? Why 4 to 6? What insights do you have exactly on the contents of SU2, SU3, SU4, SU5 and SU6 that you THINK that MSFS MAY be very good somewhere between SU4 and SU6...? I personally think the very first version is very good already, at least for my kind of flying. But I don't think anyone cares about what I think.

I really honesly don't get these kind of topics. Flightsimmers are weird people.

Hmm, I take it you don't have a business background? Because what others think has a huge bearing on my future enjoyment of the MSFS franchise. For the MSFS franchise to continue, it's important that most of the MSFS 2020 holdouts eventually transition to MSFS 2024. The numbers on SteamDB in the last month show MSFS 2020 users outnumber MSFS 2024 users.

If they don't transition to MSFS 2024, Microsoft may see it's not worth proceeding with MSFS 2028. While I don't think Microsoft will turn the servers off, they can reduce Jorg's budget, meaning the MSFS team will shrink, and there will be fewer developers to fix bugs or add features to MSFS 2024.

So I care. I want to see the MSFS franchise stay strong. I want further improvements and enhancements to MSFS 2024, and perhaps 4 years later, a successor to MSFS 2024.  But that can only happen if MSFS 2024 can get to a state where the MSFS 2020 holdouts switch over to MSFS 2024.

And yes, what others think can have an impact on your future enjoyment of MSFS 2024, if the budget is reduced for MSFS 2024, and the fixes slow down, and the new features and enhancements slow down or stop, because of the reduced budget and reduced staff on MSFS 2024. Let's hope we don't get there, and let's hope the MSFS 2020 users transition to MSFS 2024 faster.

Edited January 27, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

The numbers on SteamDB in the last month show MSFS 2020 users outnumber MSFS 2024 users.

As has been mentioned before, this isn't an accurate metric as not everyone who plays it bought it through Steam, including everyone who plays on Xbox or Gamepass for example. I along with many others purchased on the Microsoft store and won't be counted using the metric on Steam.

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

If they don't transition to MSFS 2024, Microsoft may see it's not worth proceeding with MSFS 2028

Relax. It has only been two months since release. Start worrying if users still haven't migrated in a year or so. I bet though by that time the loudest naysayers will be on board as well.

39 minutes ago, Tom Wright said:

As has been mentioned before, this isn't an accurate metric as not everyone who plays it bought it through Steam, including everyone who plays on Xbox or Gamepass for example. I along with many others purchased on the Microsoft store and won't be counted using the metric on Steam.

SteamDB isn't a perfect way to capture the numbers, but I think the proportion it shows is somewhat accurate. I check the Reddit Flghtsim subreddit and you can see the flair for every post. Over the last few weeks, I would say the flair for MSFS 2020 vs MSFS 2024 posts is somewhat comparable.

I wouldn't say MSFS 2024 flairs greatly outnumber and dwarf MSFS 2020 flair in the last few weeks in the flightsim subreddit. So roughly (not perfectly, but roughly), the proportion that SteamDB is showing, is consistent with the flightsim subreddit.

Best would be if Navigraph showed the breakdown between MSFS 2020 vs MSFS 2024 in their 2025 survey, but until then, I think SteamDB is probably the best source we have.

Edited January 27, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

11 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

So while people view MSFS 2024's release as a buggy mess and they only see the negative in MSFS 2024's release, I see MSFS 2024's release as another technological breakthrough in flight simulation, pushing the technology of flight simulation forward and getting closer to the "holy grail of flight simulation" for 2024/2025, and I am confident the bugs will be fixed within 4 to 6 Sim Updates.  

Yes, but you said FREE FLIGHT in the thread title.  I mean if you had said Career Mode or some other aspect of the sim is buggy and will take many SU's to get right I'd say ok maybe so.   But Free Flight?    Isn't the general consensus that Free Flight is the best area of the sim right now?   You saw the list of issues.  Aren't they mostly slated for fixes in either SU1 or SU2?

34 minutes ago, Tom Wright said:

As has been mentioned before, this isn't an accurate metric as not everyone who plays it bought it through Steam, including everyone who plays on Xbox or Gamepass for example. I along with many others purchased on the Microsoft store and won't be counted using the metric on Steam.

...and not everyone who plays MSFS 2020 purchased it via Steam, so what's the difference?

Edited January 27, 20251 yr by Christopher Low

1 hour ago, Mace said:

Yes, but you said FREE FLIGHT in the thread title.  I mean if you had said Career Mode or some other aspect of the sim is buggy and will take many SU's to get right I'd say ok maybe so.   But Free Flight?    Isn't the general consensus that Free Flight is the best area of the sim right now?   You saw the list of issues.  Aren't they mostly slated for fixes in either SU1 or SU2?

SU1 Beta very much improved career mode. Still not perfect but I enjoy it a lot, flying around executive types with the Vision Jet. 

2 hours ago, Rimshot said:

Relax. It has only been two months since release. Start worrying if users still haven't migrated in a year or so. I bet though by that time the loudest naysayers will be on board as well.

Don't be so sure about that. You or anyone else can't predict the future.

Edited January 27, 20251 yr by JBDB-MD80

Just now, JBDB-MD80 said:

You are anyone else can't predict the future

Thanks for enlightening me. But I prefer to look ahead with a positive stance, while others prefer to keep dwelling on the negative.

On 1/26/2025 at 4:17 PM, Tuskin38 said:

I fly airliners in Free Flight 95% of the time, and 2024 works just as well (and better if you count performance) for those flights as 2020.

Right now I'm about 1.5 hours away from landing a RJBB-LFPG flight in the A330-200

I have almost 400 hours in 2024 right now.

Exactly my use case. And since FENIX and FBW work just fine, I have been flying 2024 since release. Yes, I miss the iFly but I have to admit not so much my PMDG 737 or 777. Anyway, now with SU1 performance and visuals are even better, no reason to go back…

On 1/27/2025 at 11:09 AM, mistolip said:

Weird post. I couldn't care less about what others say about MSFS2024 on reddit or this forum or anywhere else. I love it as it is already. And I care even less about someones very vague expectations about the sim perhaps being very good within 4 to 6 sim updates... Are you very sure it can't be within 2 or 3 updates? Or maybe 7 or 8? Why 4 to 6? What insights do you have exactly on the contents of SU2, SU3, SU4, SU5 and SU6 that you THINK that MSFS MAY be very good somewhere between SU4 and SU6...? I personally think the very first version is very good already, at least for my kind of flying. But I don't think anyone cares about what I think.

I really honesly don't get these kind of topics. Flightsimmers are weird people.

Spot on post.

Visiting here has been quite an eye opener for me, I never realised before just how seriously some users took themselves and their opinions about a game.

It does seem a great source of information on updates and tweaking and doesnt take long to work out who is worth listening to

On 1/26/2025 at 2:52 PM, Bobsk8 said:

It isn't "swallowing pride", it is waiting until 2024 is ready for prime time, which it isn't at present. If it was, it wouldn't need 5-6 SU's . 

best post ive read since ms2024 was released. 

I flew today HEGA-EDDM in the Inbuilds A330, Beta. Absolutely stunning, and no issues at all. Using GSX, Real Turb, RAAS. 2k -60-68 fps .AMD 7900 GPU