1 hour ago, psolk said:

FSHUD seems to have a built in AI Zapper when AI get to close...  Doesn't clear the runway but you don't have to worry about taxiing through AI as they get zapped and disappear automatically.  

Do you have any control on what it zaps? Ai taxiing from left to right ahead of you. Would that get zapped as it crosses your path if you were stationary?

3 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Do you have any control on what it zaps? Ai taxiing from left to right ahead of you. Would that get zapped as it crosses your path if you were stationary?

I used the FSUIPC zapper for years with P3D. I don't know if it is even available in MSFS. It works great in P3D.

 

18 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Do you have any control on what it zaps? Ai taxiing from left to right ahead of you. Would that get zapped as it crosses your path if you were stationary?

Nope, no control and crossing in front of you if you were stationary wouldn't be an issue but if they came head to head with you they would get zapped and a neat trick when the queue for takeoff is too long is to get a little too close to the AI in front and it will zap them...  Americans don't queue nearly as well as the Brits LOL  

9 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Glasgow to Gatwick. I realise I may be taken off the STAR at any point. Initially the descent is to FL150, as you say staying high to the west of London.  But at FL220 in the descent, I was given descend to 4,000ft and report established 26.  No headings at all.  I was in the CPT (Compton) area.

To me that makes BATC currently not worth using.

I did a comparison flight from Liverpool to Gatwick (probably not the most realistic route). I'm replying to this comment which is what inspired me to do a FSHud vs BATC comparison. 

Departure:

• FSHud gave an initial altitude of 4000ft which corresponds with NANT2T rwy 27
• BATC didn't give an initial altitude so I set 4000ft. Not too long after departure I was cleared direct NANTI and FL100

Arrival:

• FSHud: Around 30nm before last waypoint of KIDLI, FSHud told me to expect KIDLI1G runway 26L with the WILLO transition. I was first cleared to descend to FL150, then FL070, then 4000ft. Not long before WILLO, I got vectors to final which worked out well. 
• BATC: At cruise, I was told to expect runway 26L and KIDLI1G. I manually called "ready for descent" and was cleared down to FL150, then 4000ft. Approaching WILLO, I was given the following instruction: "Cleared direct WILLO, cross WILLO at or above 4000ft, cleared ILS26L, report when established". 

Summary:

I think FSHud handled the arrival into Gatwick better, but it seems that BATC did somewhat better than what @MrBitstFlyer described. I will continue to use both addons. I still think the biggest strength of BATC is the voice quality and variety (but I still think some of the voices are very bad). IMO the biggest strength of FSHud is the accuracy of the ATC instructions. 

1 hour ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Summary:

What about the performance difference? I’m assuming you were using traffic from both as well(?). 
 

So your perfect package would be FSHUD with BATC voices? If FS HUD had the “token” packs for premium style voices, would you participate in that? Or are the ‘free’ voices good enough? Would better voices in FSHUD cause you to ditch BATC?

8 minutes ago, V1ROTA7E said:

What about the performance difference? I’m assuming you were using traffic from both as well(?). 
 

So your perfect package would be FSHUD with BATC voices? If FS HUD had the “token” packs for premium style voices, would you participate in that? Or are the ‘free’ voices good enough? Would better voices in FSHUD cause you to ditch BATC?

Performance was similar. I was using AIG with both, at max traffic settings.

I’m only using basic BATC voices. The worldwide coverage is much better than FSHud. Some of the voices aren’t very good at all though, this goes for both addons. I’ll continue to use FSHud most of the time. Sadly, there hasn’t been any FSHud updates for a long time now, and no more regional accents have been added.

8 minutes ago, V1ROTA7E said:

Would better voices in FSHUD cause you to ditch BATC?

Yes.

EDIT: Actually, no it’s not that simple. I’d like to continue to follow the development of both. There’s been a lot of updates to the BATC experimental branch lately, focusing on the ATC «logic», amongst other things.

I still very much wish there was an auto-frequency change option in FSHud, that would help a lot in high workload situations.

Edited March 25, 20251 yr by Cpt_Piett

I spend a lot of time flying in the UK and one thing I find a bit odd about FSHUD (FS2020 version) is specifically the UK voice set.

The only way I can describe it is that many of them sound as if they have been recorded by bored teenagers. They seem a bit off for use as ATC/pilots.

There is a similar issue in BATC where many voices in southern Europe seem to default to an African accent, which again, is quite odd. 

 

1 hour ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Performance was similar. I was using AIG with both, at max traffic settings.

I’m only using basic BATC voices. The worldwide coverage is much better than FSHud. Some of the voices aren’t very good at all though, this goes for both addons. I’ll continue to use FSHud most of the time. Sadly, there hasn’t been any FSHud updates for a long time now, and no more regional accents have been added.

Yes.

EDIT: Actually, no it’s not that simple. I’d like to continue to follow the development of both. There’s been a lot of updates to the BATC experimental branch lately, focusing on the ATC «logic», amongst other things.

I still very much wish there was an auto-frequency change option in FSHud, that would help a lot in high workload situations.

3 minutes ago, Vel said:

I spend a lot of time flying in the UK and one thing I find a bit odd about FSHUD (FS2020 version) is specifically the UK voice set.

The only way I can describe it is that many of them sound as if they have been recorded by bored teenagers. They seem a bit off for use as ATC/pilots.

There is a similar issue in BATC where many voices in southern Europe seem to default to an African accent, which again, is quite odd. 

 

What about the Co-Pilot option.  I use that to control ATC interaction entirely including frequency changes or do you want just the frequency change piece without the Co-pilot handling that actual communication? 

I think far worse than the UK voices is New York controllers not knowing how to say New...  I mean really, an ATC program that can't even say New York?  It bugs the heck out of me LOL.

For me improved voices in FSHUD would make it my top pick but I haven't tried BATC or SI to be fair as neither have the remote client option and SI for the amount of years I used PF3 my prior ATC would have cost me around $3,000 opposed to FSHud at $35 so it has to be not even 10x but ~100x better for the cost analysis to balance out... 

Edited March 25, 20251 yr by psolk

6 minutes ago, Vel said:

I spend a lot of time flying in the UK and one thing I find a bit odd about FSHUD (FS2020 version) is specifically the UK voice set.

The only way I can describe it is that many of them sound as if they have been recorded by bored teenagers. They seem a bit off for use as ATC/pilots.

I agree, they sound strange. Almost sedated, as if they’re on Xanax or something… The BATC voice for London Control on the last flight sounded like a Dutch accent, saying Q N HA instead of QNH.

6 minutes ago, psolk said:

What about the Co-Pilot option.  I use that to control ATC interaction entirely including frequency changes or do you want just the frequency change piece without the Co-pilot handling that actual communication? 

With copilot enabled, copilot changes the frequency. I like to handle the comms myself most of the time though. 

Also, I don’t think there’s an assignment for letting the copilot handle just one readback, like with BATC. So BATC definitely has several strength, no doubt about it.

1 hour ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I agree, they sound strange. Almost sedated, as if they’re on Xanax or something… The BATC voice for London Control on the last flight sounded like a Dutch accent, saying Q N HA instead of QNH.

With copilot enabled, copilot changes the frequency. I like to handle the comms myself most of the time though. 

Also, I don’t think there’s an assignment for letting the copilot handle just one readback, like with BATC. So BATC definitely has several strength, no doubt about it.

Looks like under General settings there is an automation tickbox for Comm Changes Only and another for Transponder.  So I think you can check those and leave Co-Pilot off...

No doubt BATC also has strengths, no doubt about that.  Too bad FSHUD and BATC didn't get married and have an ATC baby... LOL

6 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

IMO the biggest strength of FSHud is the accuracy of the ATC instructions. 

I did my KPHL-KORH test tonight with FSHUD. I was in 2020 since I don't have the license for 2024.

Overall, I agree, the ground ops seemes much more alive as opposed to BATC. lots of "hold position" and "continue taxi" but I did notice a few stuck planes.

The flight itself was very well done. ATC instructions were bang on the whole time about what I expected.

But yeah, those voices after BATC are tough.

7 hours ago, BrammyH said:

The flight itself was very well done. ATC instructions were bang on the whole time about what I expected.

But yeah, those voices after BATC are tough.

Accurate instructions have far greater importance than what those instructions sound like.

People used to refer to Radar Contact voices as “robotic” which is curious as they’re real humans. What they never did was criticise the quality of the instructions.

It’s easier to improve sounds than it is to improve the coding.

40 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

People used to refer to Radar Contact voices as “robotic” which is curious as they’re real humans. 

 

Especially that one guy, whose name I can never remember, used to work for MoD, if I remember.😄

9 minutes ago, IanHarrison said:

Especially that one guy, whose name I can never remember, used to work for MoD, if I remember.😄

🤣

12 hours ago, BrammyH said:

I did my KPHL-KORH test tonight with FSHUD. I was in 2020 since I don't have the license for 2024.

Overall, I agree, the ground ops seemes much more alive as opposed to BATC. lots of "hold position" and "continue taxi" but I did notice a few stuck planes.

The flight itself was very well done. ATC instructions were bang on the whole time about what I expected.

But yeah, those voices after BATC are tough.

Before I purchased BATC, I listen to the voices on Youtube videos from SI, FShud and BATC. BATC won  by far, and the worst was FShud, so I just crossed FShud off my list of possibles.