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2 minutes ago, Maxis said:

I know its a discussion forum but

LOL

21 minutes ago, CarlosF said:

Would you mind ellavoraing with scientific proof that Asobo's understanding of wake turbulence is extremely flawed, otherwise, checkout youtube videos on how powerful a jet turbine can be.

Wake turbulence has nothing to do with jet turbine. Wake turbulence is disturbed air behind airplane or footprint or wing vertexes . Pilots more care about wake turbulence during take off and landing as consequence getting into one can fatal. Most wake turbulence is produced when aircraft heavy, clean, and slow (flying). There are also prop, jet, roror wash but they are in different category

1 hour ago, Vitold69 said:

I have to admit how beautifully they lied looking us straight in the eyes on every livestream. ❤️

Ad Hominem Is The Tool Of Somene In A Debate Who Has Nothing Of Fact To Add

-B

There is a thin line between constructive criticism and mindless bashing. A "true simmer" cares about positive improvement of the product . The simple truth is no one is forcing anyone to buy 2024. Those who were extremely unsatisfied and impatient requested refund early in the days.  There is no point of beating a "dead horse" - don't like, don't use it! Also, don't waste time of of those who are patiently hoping for improvement spilling our your useless tantrums. The best way is to reach out for Asobo is to convey them about incorrect flight physics or bugs. But those who does better have a solid understanding how actual things work - based on scientific evidence not personal believe. 

7 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Wake turbulence has nothing to do with jet turbine. Wake turbulence is disturbed air behind airplane or footprint or wing vertexes . Pilots more care about wake turbulence during take off and landing as consequence getting into one can fatal. Most wake turbulence is produced when aircraft heavy, clean, and slow (flying). There are also prop, jet, roror wash but they are in different category

Of course, I agree with your statement, however, turbines generate wind thrust (jet wash) and so wake turbulence does apply, it also applies to prop wash and rotor wash.

Can can agree to disagree, so let us move on.

1 hour ago, Swe_Richard said:

Hmm.. all of the sudden I don't seem to have my Fenixes in the hangar? 

I had this happen the other day.  The fix that worked for me was to disable and then enable them in the content manager.

1 minute ago, CarlosF said:

Of course, I agree with your statement, however, turbines generate wind thrust (jet wash) and so wake turbulence does apply, it also applies to prop wash and rotor wash.

Can can agree to disagree, so let us move on.

There is nothing to agree or disagree. Ahsmatt7 and me both professional pilots, but unlike me he actually has ATP and have been flying jets. So you can bet he knows exactly what wake turbulence is! And most likely better than Asobo! 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_turbulence

 

This picture from a NASA study on wingtip vortices qualitatively illustrates the wake turbulence.

 

Wake turbulence is a disturbance in the atmosphere that forms behind an aircraft as it passes through the air. It includes several components, the most significant of which are wingtip vortices and jet-wash, the rapidly moving gases expelled from a jet engine.

The vortex circulation is outward, upward, and around the wingtips when viewed from either ahead or behind the aircraft. Tests with large aircraft have shown that vortices remain spaced less than a wingspan apart, drifting with the wind, at altitudes greater than a wingspan from the ground.

 

the turbulence behind and below a landing aircraft is too gentle to knock over a person standing on the ground. (In contrast, jet blast from an aircraft taking off can be extremely dangerous to people standing behind the aircraft.)

Edited April 9, 20251 yr by turbomax

11 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

There is nothing to agree or disagree. Ahsmatt7 and me both professional pilots, but unlike me he actually has ATP and have been flying jets. So you can bet he knows exactly what wake turbulence is! And most likely better than Asobo! 

Oh boy.

This is why i suggested he move on but ... anyways ..

1 hour ago, AnkH said:

Was it? If I remember correctly, most betas appeared with a clearly communicated release strategy, at least I think I remember that most if not all SU in MSFS appeared on the communicated release day. When is the release day of SU2? 

Some did some didn't, the way they do betas is very flawed in many aspects.

32 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

There is nothing to agree or disagree. Ahsmatt7 and me both professional pilots, but unlike me he actually has ATP and have been flying jets. So you can bet he knows exactly what wake turbulence is! And most likely better than Asobo! 

Again, we can agree to disagree.

Edited April 9, 20251 yr by CarlosF

39 minutes ago, rjack1282 said:

I had this happen the other day.  The fix that worked for me was to disable and then enable them in the content manager.

Thank you! I owe you one for that. Worked perfectly!

43 minutes ago, rjack1282 said:

I had this happen the other day.  The fix that worked for me was to disable and then enable them in the content manager.

I had the same issue with the A2A Comanche a few days ago and used the same solution, so I can confirm it works.

19 minutes ago, CarlosF said:

Again, we can agree to disagree.

When student pilot tell  me something like that  I always say you can self-endorse yourself for a practical exam and good luck to find out how it will turn out to be LOL