15 hours ago, nicboyGS said:

Is it particular hard of getting licensed from Boeing or what.

Licensing isn't a requirement to produce an aircraft, it just provides you with a license to use their logos and trademarks in your products. It also doesn't signify the quality of an addon as we've seen in the past.

 

3 hours ago, G-RFRY said:

As for the others who knows if they have permission.

Don't need permission unless the company is overtly litigious and the only one that does that is Gulfstream. Everyone else is pretty much fair game unless you use their logos and trademark. For example the A300 from iniBuilds is officially titled as `iniBuilds A300-600R Airliner` as opposed to `Airbus A300-600R`. I could be very wrong on this but I don't think the PMDG lineup for MSFS is licensed like it was for P3D.

Though like many have mentioned. Bluebird is doing the 757, 767 and... sometime in the future the 787. CSS is doing the entire 737 classic lineup. Bluebird/Milviz, I believe is doing one of the dinosaurs. We have the 727 from FSS and another coming from FSReborn. So there's quite a few here and a lot more currently in development. Sadly Asobo dropped the ball on dev choice for the 707. Though ultimately most of the lineup is on it's way, I guess it's a matter of waiting.

COPY PASTE. Nothing new. Pmdg had same aircrafts in Fsx even fs2004 and ported them over to newer platforms. This is one of the reasons their systems are quite mature. 

6 hours ago, Beardyman said:

How do you know that level-d was better and more accurate than PMDG 737 or 747?

I never said that anywhere did I?  I said it was "potentially" the best Boeing ever made.  As in "could be" based on my recollection of the product

The LVL-D 767 was a unicorn in flight sim at the time period full stop...

 

Look, everybody knows that the PMDG 737-600 is the best simulated Boeing ever made. Do you seriously think that a superstar like me would fly anything else?

Edited April 14, 20251 yr by Christopher Low

5 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Look, everybody knows that the PMDG 737-600 is the best simulated Boeing ever made. Do you seriously think that a superstar like me would fly anything else?

Nuff said LOL 🙂 

Topic closed!

18 minutes ago, LineDX said:

COPY PASTE. Nothing new. Pmdg had same aircrafts in Fsx even fs2004 and ported them over to newer platforms. This is one of the reasons their systems are quite mature. 

Well not entirely true.. they have fixed up portions of the LNAV in FS20 that was prevalent in previous iterations. There was comments about the engine modelling but I can't comment enough on that. @Stearmandriver can probably comment more.

1 hour ago, Lucky38i said:

Licensing isn't a requirement to produce an aircraft, it just provides you with a license to use their logos and trademarks in your products. It also doesn't signify the quality of an addon as we've seen in the past.

That is exactly right; the other thing worth mentioning is the "original" aircraft manuals for copyrights, etc. That's the reason why they don't provide them anymore. Just sell gimmicks, like "study level" terminology. 

16 hours ago, taiyang said:

Because back in the day, the only serious add-ons were just Boeings, and only from PMDG. There were actually Level-D and CaptainSim, but basically, everyone was dreaming about an Airbus — and that time has finally come. Fortunately.
it's just a historical development of the market.

Dreamfleet2000 and Level-D was king before PMDG. Dreamfleet made the first good 737-400 and 727. Level-D the 767

Edited April 14, 20251 yr by YukonPete

3 hours ago, Lucky38i said:

Don't need permission unless the company is overtly litigious and the only one that does that is Gulfstream. Everyone else is pretty much fair game unless you use their logos and trademark. For example the A300 from iniBuilds is officially titled as `iniBuilds A300-600R Airliner` as opposed to `Airbus A300-600R`. I could be very wrong on this but I don't think the PMDG lineup for MSFS is licensed like it was for P3D.

All airlines and manufacturers names and products are registered trademarks. LM had to drop the i350 from P3D due to this, when your a multi billion dollar company your worth taking to court. when your a small thousands of pounds company the litigation can cost more than case is worth.

19 hours ago, psolk said:

LVL-D 767 🙂  Potentially the best Boeing ever made 

I still think about Darryl Shuttleworth. 

16 minutes ago, spearmint_flyer said:

I still think about Darryl Shuttleworth. 

In addition to an excellent product, it is worth noting that they did not snap at customers or speak down to them. Their technical and customer support was exceptional. 

Wow...pleasant to see so many simmers that still recall the Dreamfleet 727 and the Level-D (PIC) 767. Yup, I've been around long enough to fly the (you know what) out of both of those aircraft "back in the day".

Many fond memories of both of those aircraft. I do smile at the comments here of the Level D 767...yes, it was undeniably the best available (with the caveat) at the time. With the port to P3D (32 bit), the graphics were getting very dated...today, it wouldn't stand a chance. I do recall their FMS was very comprehensive.

I hope that everyone's enthusiasm for a quality 767 translates into a ballpark success for Bluebird.

7 hours ago, Lucky38i said:

Licensing isn't a requirement to produce an aircraft, it just provides you with a license to use their logos and trademarks in your products. It also doesn't signify the quality of an addon as we've seen in the past.

Boeing offers several licensing options, my understanding is that PMDG has the simulator data license, not just a license for the logos and names.

1 hour ago, rmeier said:

Wow...pleasant to see so many simmers that still recall the Dreamfleet 727 and the Level-D (PIC) 767. Yup, I've been around long enough to fly the (you know what) out of both of those aircraft "back in the day".

Many fond memories of both of those aircraft. I do smile at the comments here of the Level D 767...yes, it was undeniably the best available (with the caveat) at the time. With the port to P3D (32 bit), the graphics were getting very dated...today, it wouldn't stand a chance. I do recall their FMS was very comprehensive.

I hope that everyone's enthusiasm for a quality 767 translates into a ballpark success for Bluebird.

From the previews I have seen and their eerily similar development pace I'm hoping their 757 is the incarnation of the LVL-D 757 I have been patiently waiting for all these years!  They certainly develop at the same pace LVL-D did LOL

Excited to FINALLY have a good 75/76 combination in MSFS I hope the products are as good as the preview vids!

Also, +1 to all the fond memories of Darryl and the LVL-D team.  I have fond memories of him helping me personally with an issue years and years and many more years ago... I think I still have my mini binded manual they gave me as thanks for working through it with them.  First time I ever used a manual like that to learn a sim plane.  So many good memories.  

12 minutes ago, psolk said:

From the previews I have seen and their eerily similar development pace I'm hoping their 757 is the incarnation of the LVL-D 757 I have been patiently waiting for all these years!  They certainly develop at the same pace LVL-D did LOL

Excited to FINALLY have a good 75/76 combination in MSFS I hope the products are as good as the preview vids!

Also, +1 to all the fond memories of Darryl and the LVL-D team.  I have fond memories of him helping me personally with an issue years and years and many more years ago... I think I still have my mini binded manual they gave me as thanks for working through it with them.  First time I ever used a manual like that to learn a sim plane.  So many good memories.  

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