1 hour ago, flyingscampi said:

I keep the manual for reference, almost 300 pages.

One thing RC did that BATC doesn't do is complain when you bust a speed or altitude, or were too slow to react to instructions. Then there was being given a phone number to call after you landed 😞

Good for you! 👍 No ATC program worth its salt will wait for you to request higher. That’s where the C comes into play in ATC. It instructs, you comply. Or else… 🤣

22 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I’m not sure I get your point. AI is useless.

Sorry Ray, my sarcasm didn't come through on my post...I agree.

3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

And now you know why I still use P3Dv5.

Hi Ray! I'm using RC in X-Plane 12, which is my IFR sim. MSFS is pretty much VFR only now.

You still tooling around in the Concord?

 

Russ

6 minutes ago, b1bmsgt said:

Hi Ray! I'm using RC in X-Plane 12, which is my IFR sim. MSFS is pretty much VFR only now.

You still tooling around in the Concord?

Russ

I believe XUIPC gives XP users access to RC4 which is great. 👍

I fly Concorde every so often. It takes around 20 mins from C&D to start taxiing as the process is controlled by numerous scripts that are mandatory. The flight modelling is excellent but you have to forget what you learned with Boeings and Airbuses. Its flight profile is very different.

It’s my plan to eventually buy MSFS for low-level sightseeing. My serious flying will always be with P3D. I know people will jump on me for that but they won’t budge me.

For me I prefer FSHud from a pure ATC perspective, but from a performance perspective I can't fault SI.  I am on the partner program and I've got hundreds of aircraft in major airports with barely a stutter.  I'd be having a slide show if I tried that with FSHud.  

19 minutes ago, Langeveldt said:

I am on the partner program and I've got hundreds of aircraft in major airports with barely a stutter.

Is that with SI's traffic injection? Good news if it is, BATC is not great on performance.

 

After exploring various ATC solutions, I've decided to stick with BeyondATC. The immersion it brings, filling airports with dynamic traffic and enabling realistic communications, is genuinely impressive. Unlike some alternatives, such as Pilot2ATC, which strictly enforce control guidelines, BATC takes a more relaxed approach. That flexibility is something I value, especially while the software is still in active development. It makes for a more adaptable and enjoyable simulation experience.

RC4 was a solid ATC program in its time. However, it falls short by today’s standards. It lacks support for IFR procedures like SIDs and STARs, believable voices, integration with AI traffic, and a modern, user-friendly interface. On top of that, it's incompatible with MSFS due to deprecated SimConnect functions, which effectively makes it obsolete.

As for SayIntentions.AI, it currently feels like it's shooting in all directions. While the ambition is clear, it doesn't yet offer a focused or compelling ATC solution, certainly not one that justifies a monthly subscription, at least not for my needs.

With an evolving ATC suite like BeyondATC, FSTL models featuring convincing visuals and immersive sounds, high-end aircraft like the A350, 777, and Fenix, and incredibly detailed airports, MSFS truly feels like a dream come true for a mostly IFR flyer like me.

Edited June 2, 20251 yr by GCBraun

FSHUD is a nice option too, but it appears to hammer my CPU 😕

Thanks for the honest updates on SI. While I own BATC I hardly use it because I mostly fly VFR, So I was thinking about trying SI. But on reflection I think I'll wait, hopefully BATC VFR will arrive fairly soon to suit my flying style.

21 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

We are starting to frame up behind the scenes how we plan to undertake VFR

Ok, so not quite there yet...

Dang, a $179 a year subscription, no thanks, good luck to them.

On 6/1/2025 at 5:01 AM, tamsini said:

Although I agree that I wish they would focus on getting ATC right before  anything else, business is business and I'm sure tons of simmers love the goofy tour guides and grumpy copilots that bring in much needed income. I can't really blame them for that.

Completely agree. I wish they would bring the tour guides to real life, I fly every other day and would love to be able to plug in a real flight number for Si to track, and look out my window and when ever Si would prompt, see something cool or know what I’m flying over!

Edited June 2, 20251 yr by UAL4life

On 6/1/2025 at 6:45 PM, Ray Proudfoot said:

I believe XUIPC gives XP users access to RC4 which is great.

I can use RC with XP12 thanks to a program called "RC4toXPlane", available on Simmarket. Works flawlessly! 

 

15 hours ago, jcomm said:

FSHUD is a nice option too, but it appears to hammer my CPU

FSHud phraseology is extremely unrealistic IMHO. Never liked it...

Hi all,

Just a tiny follow up:
Recently I also bought BeyondATC and so far I'm impressed.
Is it perfect?.... No but it does a good job in my opinion, much better then SayIntentions (at this moment)
Also I have FSHud (last year), but I like BATC better:

• Better guidance
• Better voices (even the default ones)

Regarding customized ATC apps we are living in a luxury time right now, so many choices.